Rescue needs to go away.

[MiaShino]

No one is getting an aneurysm over a rescue but it's very evident that it doesn't feel good a majority of the time, and I find it ironic that some of yall go "but think of the poor well-meaning healer's experience! heartless psychopath!" when distaste towards rescue is expressed but the experience of the rescued person is "no big deal, go seek therapy, you have anger issue".

This entire thread is one big aneurism over Rescue. Being chain stun locked or cc'ed causes mild feist at the worst, being wrongly Rescued by healer hardly even registers. My first thought is usually; "Welp, they tried I suppose"

It is not "Ugh control of my character was just taken away from me. That healer is playing the game for me by the twelve such abilities should not exist!"

I assume non malicious intent from random strangers first until it becomes obvious they did not mean well. Thought this was normal?

See;

I'm not specifically talking about rescue, I'm talking about just making you do something you don't want to because THEY think it's the right thing. It could be as simple as popping your buff everyone cooldown for you, or changing your target to the "right" one. Would you be OK with that?

How does giving the example that the majority of the time I am rescued, It is either done maliciously, ignorantly, or unneeded weaken the argument for saying I don't want OTHER people deciding where I stand

The other is the result of someone taking control of my character from me, cancelling my cast, and killing my character. I get all the consequences for the healer "accidentally" pulling me into a one shot mechanic or a pit and they have no risk or consequences from it.

News to me. It interrupts my cast and displaces me without my consent, with a net negative effect on me 95% of the time. Not unlike a debuff.

Big difference between how this reads and the mild irritation being stun locked in Dark Souls can cause. It sounds like incredibly unhealthy way to view an action occurring in a fricken video game. Many apologies if that ruffled the jimmies? Reality does stink some of the times.

Yes, I do think of the poor healer that might lose yet another unique utility skill because trogs cannot stop malding over complete nonsense issues. I do not sit there postulating about every botched Rescue attempt then proceed to attribute it to malice from team members. I think someone going on big angry tirades about their pixel character being yeeted miiiiight have anger issues of the short guy variety.

Now we can sit here pretending we are not saying things that we in fact are all day long. Gas lighting or whatever the buzzword of the year is. Now that is marginally more irritating then botched Rescue attempts "taking control of my character away from me."

Perhaps small bit of confirmation bias going on here too. That one is tossed about most frequently but I feel it is highly applicable this time.

TL;DR - Sure sure I get that it annoys you and many others.. had no clue if there is honesty. However if the choice is lose a skill most useful or get over it I am going to have to pick get over it.

[Krotoan]

I'm not telling you anything. I'm only pointing out what you're saying yourself. If you actually take a step back and listen to yourself, what I'm trying to tell might start sinking in. Regardless of what you might think, and your own experiences, Rescue was not put into the game to ruin your day.

I never said it was, you however ARE telling me how to present what I want to say and how I want to say it by calling my experiences invalid.

Also, I never said that what you claim never happens because I never experienced it. I said I don't find your claim to be true, because I've never experienced it.

are you reading what you just wrote? So you'd rather put it as "you are lying"?

And how can I? If I never experienced a healer using Rescue maliciously, then how on Earth could I possibly conclude that it's true? At best, I can believe you. And I don't. I think a healer probably had best intentions, you died anyway, and now you think Rescue is a horrible skill and needs to be deleted.

and again.. putting a position forward for me I did not state. I wouldn't miss it if it was gone. I have experienced it being misused or poorly used more than I've experienced it helping. If it was up to me... but it's not.

What I KNOW actually happens with Rescue is healers using it unsuccessfully i.e. the players still takes damage or dies. In these cases, the healer is just trying to help, because you're in the wrong spot, or greeding and they are unaware you are.

maybe.. read what I'm typing then instead of trying to invalidate it or dismiss it. I have experienced people using it to specifically get me killed. I have experienced people using it to change how I tank, or position myself as DPS. Generally if someone does this ACCIDENTALLY you get an "oops" or a "my bad"... never was forthcoming. Overall I don't bother scolding or complaining or reporting these offenses because as I said they ARE rare. But that's not that they don't happen.

I assume non malicious intent from random strangers first until it becomes obvious they did not mean well. Thought this was normal?

Someone "rescue"ing me into the titan knockback or into the Fear on Leviathan from a completely safe position is relatively obvious. Someone pulling mobs as a healer and then rescuing me to them is most definitely them trying to make me go at their pace. I don't make quick assumptions, but I do call a spade a spade when I see it. Will people admit doing such? Unlikely, since admission through chat is actionable by a GM. However in context it's obvious what the goal is. If someone botches a rescue because of ping it's usually pretty obvious they thought I wasn't safe or they simply misjudged where I'd be put, it's hard to accidentally do the things that take out a reasonably aware and competent party member, AND the couple times people have accidentally done things that killed me? They apologized quickly and emphatically.

It sounds like incredibly unhealthy way to view an action occurring in a fricken video game. Many apologies if that ruffled the jimmies? Reality does stink some of the times.

only if you attribute the discussion to "malding" rather than people giving their experiences and observations. It's almost like you're attributing motivation and emotion where there isn't any... .. huh.. seems like someone was accusing others of that.

Yes, I do think of the poor healer that might lose yet another unique utility skill because trogs cannot stop malding over complete nonsense issues. I do not sit there postulating about every botched Rescue attempt then proceed to attribute it to malice from team members. I think someone going on big angry tirades about their pixel character being yeeted miiiiight have anger issues of the short guy variety.

"short guy"... says the investigatory lalafel.

Jokes aside I suggest, yet again, look at what you are blamethrowing at others and then doing yourself.

TL;DR - Sure sure I get that it annoys you and many others.. had no clue if there is honesty. However if the choice is lose a skill most useful or get over it I am going to have to pick get over it.

The chances of Rescue getting removed actually increase the more people engage with this thread... so maybe let it die then? All in all it's a minor complaint that pops up whenever someone gets a particularly annoying rescue applied to them. I will always chime in that the majority of its uses I see are to annoy and control and not to help others. KNOWING that I do not notice when it happens to others, but as someone who looks back at deaths and tries to figure out how to not die again, it's a good idea to also notice when someone saves your bacon with rescue... but it's also very noticeable when the only thing you could have done to not die is not have someone in your party.

Pick your battles and follow your own advice.

[MiaShino]

Someone "rescue"ing me into the titan knockback or into the Fear on Leviathan from a completely safe position is relatively obvious. Someone pulling mobs as a healer and then rescuing me to them is most definitely them trying to make me go at their pace. I don't make quick assumptions, but I do call a spade a spade when I see it. Will people admit doing such? Unlikely, since admission through chat is actionable by a GM. However in context it's obvious what the goal is. If someone botches a rescue because of ping it's usually pretty obvious they thought I wasn't safe or they simply misjudged where I'd be put, it's hard to accidentally do the things that take out a reasonably aware and competent party member.

Ask them to stop doing that? Get over it? Move on? Report for obstruction of gameplay or which ever clause in TOS is applicable? Being realistic here how often is this actually occurring to you? Is it every other duty - about every ten duties - somewhere around once in one hundred duties - with such infrequency you can scarcely recall the last time this occurred? The comment about pulling though.. tis painting a picture most clear in the minds eye.

only if you attribute the discussion to "malding" rather than people giving their experiences and observations. It's almost like you're attributing motivation and emotion where there isn't any... .. huh.. seems like someone was accusing others of that.

Look, already stated I am not playing this game. You and others can pretend they do not feel strongly about this until the cows come home move in and rob you blind. Please do continue being about as witty as pre Shadowbringers Alphinaud. This Lala does so love good memes.

"short guy"... says the investigatory lalafel.

Jokes aside I suggest, yet again, look at what you are blamethrowing at others and then doing yourself.

Going straight for the Lala card? Uh oh did I strike a nerve? You were not even the person I replied to. Huh! Who am I blaming for what now? Will mechanist be getting new skill called blamethrower that inflicts Misery on all targets within a cone? That sounds kinda cool!

The chances of Rescue getting removed actually increase the more people engage with this thread... so maybe let it die then?

Thread engagement alone does not dictate this, the reactions of those within said thread however might. Sure sure though! Pretty much done here, whole thread is causing me feist and unlike many others will not sit here pretending I feel nothing about the topic. Have the strangest feeling in the pit of my everything that you or someone will keep making their rounds to squeak in the last word though.

All in all it's a minor complaint that pops up whenever someone gets a particularly annoying rescue applied to them. I will always chime in that the majority of its uses I see are to annoy and control and not to help others. KNOWING that I do not notice when it happens to others, but as someone who looks back at deaths and tries to figure out how to not die again, it's a good idea to also notice when someone saves your bacon with rescue... but it's also very noticeable when the only thing you could have done to not die is not have someone in your party.

Alright! Gotcha! So long as you can understand that the frequency you seem to encounter rescue trolling may be unique to yourself and not the experience shared by most.

Pick your battles and follow your own advice.

Whatever you say partner.

[Faafetai]

The chances of Rescue getting removed actually increase the more people engage with this thread... so maybe let it die then?

Wait are you saying if they get the lgbt thread long enough, or the give me my warrior cone aoe back thread gains much more traction someone will listen? I do not believe your lies! This is false hope, they only pay attention to the worst possible things they could and listen to that. Like if I made a huge thread about Yoshi giving everyone sub money back for every time they were stunned, slept, or turned into a frog in palace of the dad. Would we be refunded for all of that lost play time? Well that is a bad example that would be a good thing.....ah I have it we have to make a thread just removing all of the buttons or remove all tanks/healers. Maybe give healers more heal buttons and take away all damage buttons. I am ready to go scorched earth here. They already removed fluid aura, rescue is too big brained, we need healers to be more simple for beginners! Yes! Remove everything. I am going to make a thread soon. Look forward to it. You have given me the hope I needed. If I can't have my stuff back than no one can have anything! Mwhahahaha!