Rescue needs to go away.

[MiaShino]

The one thing I do dislike about rescue is it will be super delayed sometimes, so it looks like you are a big jerk who rescued someone after they got blasted by an aoe. I think Urianger uses it too in a cutscene and it is way cooler than it is for us, I think he rescues Y'shtola my memory is bad about this I may need to find a clip somewhere to refresh but I remember at the time being sad it wasn't that cool.

Fricken Swtor rescue maaahhhh! Instant - threat reduction - defensive mitigation - annnnnnd proper physics. Up and over no problemo! Behind a wall or onto ledges tis no problem. Feel like this community would have mental breakdown if we had Swtor rescue though. Too.. expressive. Not sterile enough. Givith them that endless white void room from the Matrix, that should make them the happy.

I get healing is boring AF for some. I get that REMOVING something that has utility would be bad. I would like others to get that while the skill can be useful and helpful, not everyone enjoys that "help" and sometimes it can be downright detrimental.

Well, yup? Anytime you introduce unique skills such as these you run into this risk. Plenty of already existing skills that can be abused maliciously that I do not feel should be altered or removed. Tis annoying when it occurs but the least obtrusive fix is a barren wasteland devoid of skill expression. I will take my troll rescues and poor use of expedient as trade for Square potentially adding in more skills similar to these two. Square will not opt for elegant solution as they never do. They will use hammer, the only tool they know of and yeeeeet boy Rescue out of the game. If we are the lucky they may throw us another pity ogcd healy button that makes the HP bars go up.

[Faafetai]

Fricken Swtor rescue maaahhhh! Instant - threat reduction - defensive mitigation - annnnnnd proper physics. Up and over no problemo! Behind a wall or onto ledges tis no problem. Feel like this community would have mental breakdown if we had Swtor rescue though. Too.. expressive. Not sterile enough. Givith them that endless white void room from the Matrix, that should make them the happy.

That wont make them happy because than it would be TOO WHITE! It would need to be white but not too white maybe with a small bit of those sand granules they put into some paints so it has the illusion of unique. So the people with no personality selling apartments could feel like they did something new with their samey white painted walls.

[Packetdancer]

BUT maybe that person had another plan though? Maybe they were ready to deal with it with a movement skill or teleport? Maybe that person had a cooldown they were willing to burn to mitigate? It's apparent that some people who use the skill use it to play (however briefly) for other people, because they think that person is playing "wrong".

I actually agree that Rescue should not be used as the default. The NIN might be planning to Shukuchi, the BLM might be planning to Aetherial Manipulation, etc. (Or heck, the person might actually be expecting a Rescue. I have, on very rare occasions, had someone ask me to rescue them into the right spot to save time during a mechanic; if you explicitly ask, sure, I'll do it starting with the first pull. Susano has an excellent Rescue-cheese spot, for instance.)

But if someone dies to a mechanic repeatedly, forcing me to repeatedly burn MP -- and potentially time in order to slow-rez them -- across multiple pulls... I admit after a certain point, I will probably cease to care what their plan is. Because whatever it is, clearly it isn't working.

[Krotoan]

But if someone dies to a mechanic repeatedly, forcing me to repeatedly burn MP -- and potentially time in order to slow-rez them -- across multiple pulls... I admit after a certain point, I will probably cease to care what their plan is. Because whatever it is, clearly it isn't working.

Think on this perhaps. If given the opportunity and swap of roles, do you want someone else (however "correct" it may be) to do the right move for you? Honestly and truly do you want someone else to grab control from you and MAKE you do the right thing? I remember I was part of another discussion of how much people were disgusted that someone else could possibly make their beloved character appear differently on a screen they would never see (glamour "normalization", interesting discussion) ... but they're perfectly fine here letting someone make gameplay decisions for them.

I agree with the earlier suggestion there be a toggle to allow or disallow rescue (and other movements not initiated by the player themselves or mechanics, barring PVP of course). Then choice is restored and I have no further qualm.

[Gemina]

How does giving the example that the majority of the time I am rescued, It is either done maliciously, ignorantly, or unneeded weaken the argument for saying I don't want OTHER people deciding where I stand or at least I'd like the option to refuse? If I wanted other people to play the game for me I wouldn't play and if I wanted to play a griefing game I'd play one with worldwide PVP.

You're doing it again. Like quite literally the exact same thing I just mentioned. You are pretexting your true feelings [argument] about the skill with what is anecdotal evidence at best. What you truly dislike about Rescue is that another player can change your position against your will.

If you were to just say, "I dislike recue because I don't want another player to dictate my position for me."

That is fine. Really fine. It's a strong argument all on its own, and leaves little room for rebuttal because you're just stating an opinion. When you add - or worse - pretext that argument with a statement that invites an air of skepticism due to validity, then peeps like me come in and say BS, and contest your argument with anecdotal evidence of our own. IOW, it weakens your argument. I don't find your claim to be true in even the slightest, and that is only because I have not encountered it myself. Like ever. I have never witnessed a healer using Rescue maliciously unless friends were trolling each other in braindead content. In content that matters, not at all. Even among friends.

[Ranaku]

Think on this perhaps. If given the opportunity and swap of roles, do you want someone else (however "correct" it may be) to do the right move for you? Honestly and truly do you want someone else to grab control from you and MAKE you do the right thing? I remember I was part of another discussion of how much people were disgusted that someone else could possibly make their beloved character appear differently on a screen they would never see (glamour "normalization", interesting discussion) ... but they're perfectly fine here letting someone make gameplay decisions for them.

I agree with the earlier suggestion there be a toggle to allow or disallow rescue (and other movements not initiated by the player themselves or mechanics, barring PVP of course). Then choice is restored and I have no further qualm.

By that logic healers shouldn't heal at all, they are forcing heals onto the poor other players without consent! And what with the ranged dps buff, thanks i want to decide on my own how fast i go and how much damage i take!

[Krotoan]

You're doing it again. Like quite literally the exact same thing I just mentioned. You are pretexting your true feelings [argument] about the skill with what is anecdotal evidence at best. What you truly dislike about Rescue is that another player can change your position against your will.

If you were to just say, "I dislike recue because I don't want another player to dictate my position for me."

That is fine. Really fine. It's a strong argument all on its own, and leaves little room for rebuttal because you're just stating an opinion. When you add - or worse - pretext that argument with a statement that invites an air of skepticism due to validity, then peeps like me come in and say BS, and contest your argument with anecdotal evidence of our own. IOW, it weakens your argument. I don't find your claim to be true in even the slightest, and that is only because I have not encountered it myself. Like ever. I have never witnessed a healer using Rescue maliciously unless friends were trolling each other in braindead content. In content that matters, not at all. Even among friends.

So you're going to tell me what I really mean now and how to express myself? ... the irony is absolutely staggering.


And we're going to add on "it never happens because I've never seen it". Terrific.

By that logic healers shouldn't heal at all, they are forcing heals onto the poor other players without consent! And what with the ranged dps buff, thanks i want to decide on my own how fast i go and how much damage i take!

When you ask a healer to join you.. what do you think you're asking for?

When you queue with a DPS.. what is their role description?


While you possibly could be posing an actual logical leap you made in your mind where you incorrectly correlated "I don't want other people to play for me or affect my inputted decisions" with "I don't want other people to affect the game I'm playing in any way at all" it SOUNDS like you're just spouting irrational gobbledygook to make a perfectly reasonable ask into a ridiculous one.

[kaynide]

Anyone who has read my posts on my experiences playing with my wife knows why, when I am a healer, Rescue is crucial for me.

[Larirawiel]

No rescue = no rescue fails on Lulu's streamer highlights!

They should keep rescue in the game!





Cheers

[whitemoonflower]

No thanks. It can be both helpful and resourceful when utilized properly: preventing incoming damage or death while saving tools and MP in the process, impromptu or planned placement adjustments, helping out that tank who kept facing each boss at the alliances during the World of Darkness, etc.

The Heroes' Gauntlet: Spectral Necromancer. My partner goes to LB a second before Pain Mire is telegraphed. We both go silent. I manage to time my Rescue right after the LB and right before the bleed puddles drop. Celebration. That Rescue remains among our fondest memories of playing XIV together.

Some may abuse rescue, other may just have poor timing, but couldn't the same be said for Shirk? The ability itself doesn't appear to be the issue so much as its misuse/server-related timing issues thought to be intentional. But those of us utilizing it properly enjoy having Rescue at our disposal (even with a horrendously long cooldown).

I'm still coming to terms with Kaiten; let's not add this one to the list.