Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[SturmChurro]

And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly

Mithra were also animalistic.

They are effectively the same thing. It's just a comparison, and a valid one at that when we get down to it. They are both humanlike races with animalistic features, like ears. I'm not trying to put them down or anything, but it's how it is. It would be like hyur midlander compared to hyur highlander.

[Aluja89]

...p...pretty kitty rengar...

...w-what, he still looks intimidating!!



Yeah, and I get that comparison, but... frankly, I think people were less focused on being rabbits than they were wanting something tall and regal looking. Otherwise Miqo'te have a couple traits to them that don't exactly convey that feeling. And yes, I am giving Viera the benefit of the doubt '-' before I'm accused of starting a race war again

As for the Hrothgar queen mural, keep in mind it's a caricature. That's not official design. All we know is that it's going to be more feline\bestial looking than a Miqo'te would be. If we were to take the mural literally, they'd be like lion women with no mane, and thus, no hair.



You know, reading back on it, I understand now xD but it was just so weird because it sounded like you were redefining what was said. Still, my apologies. I blame my "it's midnight and I've had a LONG day" brain

Sure, that's why I always joke how Hrotgars are FFXIV's first new race.

No not the mural, concept art:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._do_you_think/

[Aluja89]

And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly



Oh, sorry. I’ve been wrong all along… concept art won you this debate.

Because Male Viera DEFINITELY look like their HW concept art and AuRa’s fierce demon form was absolutely what we ended up getting

Still being obtuse about simple facts? And yes male Viera do mostly look like their concept art without the obvious differences. The Au'ra concept art was shown after the fact, not before IIRC.

[RyuDragnier]

It's because of how furries act. Those who wear the actual fur suits are made fun of and not liked at all because of how "Cringe" they act and so forth. It stems from this.

I like my beast/furry races. I will never wear a fur suit but I do like furry artwork and such. I'm patiently waiting for female Hrothgar....unlike the entitled people screaming for their bunny boys...*cough*.

The furries that wear fursuits are akin to Star Trek fans who actually cosplay in the uniform, a minority. I believe the number was around 10-15% of the fandom owning a fursuit.

[Midareyukki]

The furries that wear fursuits are akin to Star Trek fans who actually cosplay in the uniform, a minority. I believe the number was around 10-15% of the fandom owning a fursuit.

Yep. And even if they do own one, they mostly just wear it like Star Trek fans who cosplay: for conventions. People talk like they know anything from the furries, but really they only know about the loud dumb groups. The cringy ones. You know, like any fandom.

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Yes, even this one.

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ESPECIALLY this one. I'm onto you, Y'shtola fanbase. You too Raha Fans.

Sure, that's why I always joke how Hrotgars are FFXIV's first new race.

No not the mural, concept art:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._do_you_think/

Well I wouldn't go too far as to say that's a definitive version yet :T That's probably a placeholder. But if anything it is as close as we might see them in official artwork.

Sherlotta is right in that the concept art of Au Ra and Male Viera don't match at all what we currently have. But at the same time she's working with really old preliminary artwork. The devs didn't really know what to go for. With male Hrothgar they've opened a precedent for more bestial-looking races, so it's likely they have a better idea of what they want than just doodles. Meaning that the image you posted will likely have more "official" to their end design than Viera and Au Ra ever had.

[SturmChurro]

No, the female au ra concept art is pretty close to what we got. People just like to focus on the more bestial variants. Typically, images are shown that crop out other variants.

[Midareyukki]

No, the female au ra concept art is pretty close to what we got. People just like to focus on the more bestial variants. Typically, images are shown that crop out other variants.

You do know that it happens in phases, yes?
You know that it's perfectly fine and normal for them to have Au Ra concept closer to what we currently have, yeah?
In fact, you know that's more or less how they decide a design to begin with, yes? From the batch that they have made, pick one or two and go from there?

So it is 100% normal for Female Au Ra concept art to be closer to what we have. But when the topic is comparing that and the intention behind it to the artwork of the Queen on her device thing, there is a difference. That through all that artwork, cropped or not, it still took Square Enix a lot of different decisions which varied DRASTICALLY. Because they had no race that ever came close to being truly bestial.

With Hrothgar not only do we have a singular version of their race available, we even have the males acting as a precedent. A sort of starting point, a template with more or less the requirements already defined for them. Meaning that gigantic variance between the Au Ra designs won't happen with Hrothgar.

[aveyond-dreams]

I don't see much wrong with the concept art for Bozja's queen. The face is clearly not very detailed but given that female Hrothgar are female, to start off with, one would imagine that they should have softer and more feminine features than male Hrothgar.

Given that these are player characters it would make sense to give them attractive bodies. It is possible to make a character that has a lioness-like face and a body that appeals to those of us who like having girl characters on our screen. The reality of the situation is as follows:

They will have 4 faces, one lioness, tigress, coeurl, and whatever the discount Kimahri option is supposed to be. They will have larger eyes and smoother jaws than the males.

They will have a restricted number of hairstyles and may release with missing ears because something went very wrong in the Hrothgar hair department.

If they have feminine "heroine" builds in the way of female Highlander or Viera's proportions, those who aren't furries may still gravitate towards them and those who want them to be big and bulky will probably still play them regardless.

If they have femroe proportions then it will turn off huge swathes of people, especially if combined with the limited customization options Hrothgar suffer from. I imagine some furries may be ok with this, but even then I imagine that if they want to play a *female* animal race that they would want something that looks better than femroe, who are difficult to make look good in much of the game's armor.

Male Hrothgar already has so many design mistakes that do not need to be repeated. We do not need female Hrothgar to have a hunchback, or to look as if their equipment is struggling to contain them, for lack of a better description. Such exaggerated features border on caricature and is part of what contributed to the Perfect World comparisons back when male Hrothgar were announced back in 2019.

Do you want to know how you sell a "lion man" to the FF/anime lovers crowd? All they had to do was this: give them the Highlander build, which is both masculine and easier to take seriously, have them stand upright and proud instead of hunched over, make more faces like face 1 and 2 with more expressive eyes/mouths, give eyebrows to each face, and let them choose whatever hair they want. Let's see if they learn from these mistakes, in either case they need to completely rethink how they go about Hrothgar before beginning the 3d model work on the females.

[Nestama]

What's "wrong" with the Queen concept art is that the face is too human (very similar to the Miqo'te). Also a noticeable lack of fur. SE need to make them actually look like they're of the Hrothgar race and not the usual nonsense of "monster man, human woman with animal parts here and there" (like Au Ra, but way worse).

[Aluja89]

What's "wrong" with the Queen concept art is that the face is too human (very similar to the Miqo'te). Also a noticeable lack of fur. SE need to make them actually look like they're of the Hrothgar race and not the usual nonsense of "monster man, human woman with animal parts here and there" (like Au Ra, but way worse).

What? Her whole body consists of fur and she's deified, she's going to look clean and dignified. Also, there's nothing wrong with it, just because you don't like it doesn't mean there is something wrong with it.

You guys also need to understand the difference in officially released artwork and concepts they used in presentations.