Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Midareyukki]

I really hate the term '' degenerate '' it gets thrown at everything particularly if it's not for the typical dudebro or doesn't adhere to super conservative values.
Particularly if it has anything to do with sexuality, it usually comes across like it's some nofap grandma redditor who sees ankles and thinks society is coming to an end because of it who are saying it most of the time.
It's like '' oh your adventure plate is a pinup pose, that's degenerate '' peoples standards for it are so insanely low when I hear that term what I think of is some really extreme and bizarre stuff.

That aside, I really doubt the devs are designing anything for furries specifically.
Furries are such an insanely niche group bellow 1% they're just extremely overrepresented and loud online, I have a pretty hard time believing the devs went '' lets make a furry race '' lol.
At least in FFXIV, in WoW I do think it might be the case because there are concept artists working there that make furry art ( the one who designed the dragon race for example ).
I actually think this might be why the dragon races appearance has been received fairly negatively, they look less like a dragon race and more like a human wearing a dragon skinsuit it's very strange.
I wouldn't say that about Hrothgar tho.

You don't have to like a term or not for it to be thrown around at people, which it is, constantly.

And they aren't designing anything for furries, that is correct. Just as much as they're not designing anything for "the gays", a comment I heard when Male Viera was dropped. But you're missing the point of why furries were even brought up in the conversation to begin with. Many people are playing Hrothgar without belonging to the furry community, and are being called furries as a slur and are discriminated because of that. No one said the race was a furry race, in fact it's the exact opposite: Hrothgar are being cast out by the community as the furry race. Yet you'll find furries everywhere. As Hrothgar, as Miqo'te, as Roegadyn and yes, even Hyur.

Read what I said please. I said "furries are into the race", not that the race is for furries.

And I said it because people tend to shove that as a slur and make people feel bad for enjoying Hrothgar characters.

[Caurcas]

I really hate the term '' degenerate '' it gets thrown at everything particularly if it's not for the typical dudebro or doesn't adhere to super conservative values.
Particularly if it has anything to do with sexuality, it usually comes across like it's some nofap grandma redditor who sees ankles and thinks society is coming to an end because of it who are saying it most of the time.
It's like '' oh your adventure plate is a pinup pose, that's degenerate '' peoples standards for it are so insanely low when I hear that term what I think of is some really extreme and bizarre stuff.

That aside, I really doubt the devs are designing anything for furries specifically.
Furries are such an insanely niche group bellow 1% they're just extremely overrepresented and loud online, I have a pretty hard time believing the devs went '' lets make a furry race '' lol.
At least in FFXIV, in WoW I do think it might be the case because there are concept artists working there that make furry art ( the one who designed the dragon race for example ).
I actually think this might be why the dragon races appearance has been received fairly negatively, they look less like a dragon race and more like a human wearing a dragon skinsuit it's very strange.
I wouldn't say that about Hrothgar tho.

Degenerate is just a synonym for pervert my guy. And those 14 has is spades so its pretty applicable.

[SherlottaEryut]

They absolutely can, get some perspective then come back. I'm not going to talk in circles with you while you're feigning obtuseness.

PS, as someone who does play Hrothgar, I want to change my Highlander DRK into a female Hrothgar, but there's no point if they're just going to be slimmer versions of their male counterpart.

But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

[Midareyukki]

But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

What Sherlotta says is correct. Viera are designed one way, Hrothgar are designed in another. Female Ronso were designed with a beast race in mind in FFX, I don't know if Female Hrothgar will follow the same idea but it certainly seems that way.

I can't tell if Viera were fan-favourites though? ^^;; I've actually heard negative comments on Fran since 2007, only recently have I seen people be receptive to Viera. Ronso have received far less negativity, despite being the, you know, "furry race". Not many comments were aimed at Kimahri than there were toward Fran and her sisters. But regardless? That reception, especially after the dev team revealed concept art for viera, really did boost it to what we have now, where Yoshida and the team saw the support Vieras were having and opted to include them. The only thing I will point out is the usual "it brings along some responsibility", since Viera being asked by the fanbase means that the fans are more receptive to them than they are to Hrothgar. Though that is a generalization. You know that comment they said about Viera being compared to Miqo'te and players being told to "just play Miqo"? I've seen people express that exact sentiment. You do still have people against Viera.

I think I get the bodies thing though. They are the race with the least gender dymorphism other than Lalafell. You really can't compare the differences between Viera to the differences between Au Ra. So them being so approximated feels like the dev team didn't exactly think twice about it? They just made a lazy design? Especially given how concept art in HSW implied they'd be more muscular? But it makes sense given a mystical race as Viera are meant to be.

[Aluja89]

But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

You're delusional. They're both humans with animal ears. Period. Just because they were requested doesn't change that fact.

Also, do I look like I want to play a cutesy uwu kitten race? Look at my character's name, when you read Wrathorn Stormclaw do you imagine my character with pink mittens?

I want this but bigger:
https://imgur.com/JR15DZH

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

What Sherlotta says is correct. Viera are designed one way, Hrothgar are designed in another. Female Ronso were designed with a beast race in mind in FFX, I don't know if Female Hrothgar will follow the same idea but it certainly seems that way.

Absolutely not, it wasn't a Viera to Hrothgar comparison. It was Viera to Miqote.

[Kolsykol]

Degenerate is just a synonym for pervert my guy. And those 14 has is spades so its pretty applicable.

It's not and it's not how it's used at all.
Even as far as perverts go, I think that most people have absurdly low standards for when they call people that too.

Most of the time it's really just '' I don't like ANYTHING sexual, so imma call you names to try and shame you ''.
And when it comes to '' degenerate '' that's like the least bad case it's used often times it's thrown at people who are gay.

Edit: When I think of someone who's a pervert I think of someone who's drilling holes at toilets to peep at people or to a lesser extent if we are to use FFXIV people who spam whisper someone ERP against their will while dry-humping their character.
Basically someone who breaks and doesn't respect peoples boundaries at all.
I don't think of someone who just plays a Miqo'te and stands around in Limsa in swimwear/ the 2B legs or does consensual ERP, that's just people having fun their way and not harming anyone.

I don't believe that FFXIV has actual perverts in spades at all I think most people are perfectly chill and are just having fun.
Just because that fun might have something to do with sexuality doesn't make them a pervert.

You don't have to like a term or not for it to be thrown around at people, which it is, constantly.

And they aren't designing anything for furries, that is correct. Just as much as they're not designing anything for "the gays", a comment I heard when Male Viera was dropped. But you're missing the point of why furries were even brought up in the conversation to begin with. Many people are playing Hrothgar without belonging to the furry community, and are being called furries as a slur and are discriminated because of that. No one said the race was a furry race, in fact it's the exact opposite: Hrothgar are being cast out by the community as the furry race. Yet you'll find furries everywhere. As Hrothgar, as Miqo'te, as Roegadyn and yes, even Hyur.

Read what I said please. I said "furries are into the race", not that the race is for furries.

And I said it because people tend to shove that as a slur and make people feel bad for enjoying Hrothgar characters.

Yes I was agreeing with you, I mainly just quoted for the '' degenerate '' part.

[SturmChurro]

Eh, miqo'te are pretty similar to viera. Let's be real. Catgirls, foxgirls, and bunnygirls, what have you, are pretty much the same thing with slight differences. There were, and still are, many that want them to be the supposed shorter 'cuter' variant.

[Midareyukki]

Also, do I look like I want to play a cutesy uwu kitten race? Look at my character's name, when you read Wrathorn Stormclaw do you imagine my character with pink mittens?

...p...pretty kitty rengar...

...w-what, he still looks intimidating!!

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

Absolutely not, it wasn't a Viera to Hrothgar comparison. It was Viera to Miqote.

Yeah, and I get that comparison, but... frankly, I think people were less focused on being rabbits than they were wanting something tall and regal looking. Otherwise Miqo'te have a couple traits to them that don't exactly convey that feeling. And yes, I am giving Viera the benefit of the doubt '-' before I'm accused of starting a race war again

As for the Hrothgar queen mural, keep in mind it's a caricature. That's not official design. All we know is that it's going to be more feline\bestial looking than a Miqo'te would be. If we were to take the mural literally, they'd be like lion women with no mane, and thus, no hair.

Yes I was agreeing with you, I mainly just quoted for the '' degenerate '' part.

You know, reading back on it, I understand now xD but it was just so weird because it sounded like you were redefining what was said. Still, my apologies. I blame my "it's midnight and I've had a LONG day" brain

[SherlottaEryut]

I can't tell if Viera were fan-favourites though? ^^;; I've actually heard negative comments on Fran since 2007, only recently have I seen people be receptive to Viera.

I’m quite surprised, I haven’t heard of anything major, only people hating on Fran’s voice actress. Other than that, I think overall Viera race have been well received by the FF community, both in and out of XIV.

You're delusional. They're both humans with animal ears. Period. Just because they were requested doesn't change that fact.

And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

Oh, sorry. I’ve been wrong all along… concept art won you this debate.

Because Male Viera DEFINITELY look like their HW concept art and AuRa’s fierce demon form was absolutely what we ended up getting

[Midareyukki]

I’m quite surprised, I haven’t heard of anything major, only people hating on Fran’s voice actress. Other than that, overall I think overall Viera race have been well received by the FF community, both in and out of XIV.

...well... It was mostly because Fran, and by association all Viera, was seen as just "there for fanservice". A lot of people who hated on FF12 would point out how much Fran was just eyecandy, and that Square's focus on making them was less to make a mystical-looking race in a fantasy setting and more to appeal to people's gaze. As well as some comments that I don't quite know if I can be more explicit, so I'll just keep it at "Hugh Hefner". Because, you know: attractive rabbit women. Given "rabbit" and "attractive women" went hand-in-hand with a certain magazine... yeah... And thus also the connotation that Viera and people who made Viera characters to roleplay with were promiscuous.

People in forums would look at Viera and that'd be the reaction they would have. Even with the in-game context of Viera and all the stunts Fran does, the community really didn't let it go.

It's still a thing, especially with older FF fans, but it DEFINITELY lightened up thanks to Viera being made playable.