DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

[LalaLlama]

As a Sprout healer that isn't even out of Stormblood yet, and who never touched Healing in any other MMO (Mainly played DPS in WoW), if the tank is going too slow, I'ma pull more. I want the dungeon to be engaging for me, not "sit and spam my AoE and nothing else because tanks/DPS are taking pitiful damage". I'm not pulling extra to be an a-hole, I'm pulling extra because I want to get enjoyment too, rather than pressing 1 ability for the duration of the whole dungeon.

Even saying this, I've barely ever seen a healer/DPS pull for a tank, the tanks are normally ahead of everyone else. People DO stop for a few seconds after each boss. People also stop BEFORE a boss is pulled. I've only had it once in my multitude of Duties where a DPS pulled whilst I was in a cutscene. Bit annoying, but made things a little fun because I got to press 3 more buttons to "catch up" before I go back to my 1 button spam xD.

So, am I also considered the "best of the best", since I can easily deal with W2W pulling quickly without barely touching my resources? I've even set myself a task of learning to mainly heal through oGCD's, to the point, my last few dungeons have had 0 healing GCD's pressed. All of my GCD's went to damage, and no on died! So, if people really are struggling with this, then, I have to call into question as to "why". It's not because it's difficult (Unless I'm a super-chad who was able to heal easily from me starting this game) and it's not because mobs actually do a lot of damage. it's more down to laziness. If you can't press a few buttons to keep people alive, then, why are you playing a healer?

Same as a tank, from what I've read, Aggro is seriously easy to keep/get back. If you can't press 1-2 AoE's to take aggro back, then, what are you doing? Standing their twiddling your thumbs?

Peace all, from the best of the best chad healer known as Lala!

[pikalovr]

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spedrunning is two completely different things DF speedrunning is W2W pulls there is literally no faster way unless you can pull into boss arena and even then you'd still basically be ignoring the ADs since alot of arenas once closed off make all ADs leave the area. non DF aka premade group speedrunning doesn't even bring a healer period unless there's some specific mechanic that is worth the DPS loss and that in and of itself says something especially since the premade group one is in fact synced

having content aimed at hardcore players is anot a bad thing it's why people want harder dungeons (optional dungeons) and harder extremes cause it's nice to have content for all types of player refer back to the reasoning of trust and why it's an excellent addition M+ was not made for the majority of the playerbase it was in fact made for the hardcore players weird how that works huh it's almost as if not everything needs to be accessible by everyone

and as i said during ARR i'll be lenient on them (alot of people are) but once you get to HW you shouldn't be throwing a tantrum cause you have to wall to wall pull now ARR is the tutorial so to speak. once you're past that you have a basic understanding of the game and it's combat.

i do think it's unreasonable to que into something that can take upwards of 20 minutes and then expect people to stop for YOU. thats like me not taking hte dogs out before i raid with my static and then halfway through lockout for progging i go sorry guys i need to take my dogs out and waste 10 miniutes of the statics time. you see the hypocrisy here? adn like i said alot of people take a few seconds before moving again or they'll roll on the loot from chest then catch up tot he group it's not that hard.

i do think it's unreasonable to not use the tools given to you to make the dungeon easier on everyone. hell most parties don't even all sprint normally you have a ranged phys peloton the group if anything

also stop witht he whole "think of the sprouts" most players are willing to cut sprouts slack and wait on them. but that's also not a reason to show them what's expected of them later on

also real ironic you wanna pull the say something card when i literally said the number one solution to your problem is literally just type BRB after this boss

[Ronduwil]

For them going slow and steady is fun. Because it is fun for them it should be fun for all. This is where theory of mind assists.

I said the exactly opposite. Obviously fun for some people is dull for others and vice versa. I'm saying that when you queue for random content you should be more flexible and easy-going. If I queue into a party that has a tank that's wall-to-wall pulling even though they're made of paper and haven't learned how to mitigate, I do my best to keep up and/or heal them. On the other hand, sometimes I queue into a party with a slow puller, and I'm perfectly fine with that because I'd rather go at the pace they're comfortable with than force them to take on more than they're comfortable with and/or risk wiping the group. I'm not saying that you have to like what I like or that I have to like what you like. I'm just saying that we should be considerate of others' preferences when we queue into random content. If you want to wall to wall pull for fun with your wall to wall guild, more power to you. If you want to wall to wall pull when you've queued into the roulette with a bunch of randos, however, don't complain that the group wiped because they couldn't keep up with you.

[Renalt]

Bring them all to me and I will pull them off. Even better if the DPS uses their own Arms Length so I can save it for the next pack. No one dies before me.

[MiaShino]

I'm just saying that we should be considerate of others' preferences when we queue into random content.

I try to be considerate of the teams preferences. Ask then if not in the mood we kick when communication is impossible.

If you want to wall to wall pull for fun with your wall to wall guild, more power to you.

Wat? Two packs minimum is pretty normal, no? Tis what most level cap dungeons limit you to anyways or three packs. Does not require a.. wall to wall guild whatever the heck that is supposed to be.

If you want to wall to wall pull when you've queued into the roulette with a bunch of randos, however, don't complain that the group wiped because they couldn't keep up with you.

Have experienced three whole wipes leveling Dark Knight to 80, perhaps about eight total across other tanks and those were on pulls most ridiculous (Mt Gulg). Did the entire first Vigil pull allllllll the way to the boss room two days ago and lived. When we wipe we go again unless I identify something has gone very wrong with the party. Most of the times it was as simple as oops I pressed Living Dead late.

Will be flexible but there are limits so we use the features Square gave us; Chat first > kick. Check leveled jobs or perhaps gear, see if new first then ask if willing to try pulling more. My easy going stops at the twenty five minute mark though, if I wanted dungeons to take that long would queue with the trusts.

[Ivtrix]

I don’t care if dps and healers pull, just drag it to me.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

[Coletergeist]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

You can say the same thing vice versa; if you want to smell the flowers, make a premade. Thing is, it's the *majority* that wants to go faster, so take that as you will.
Also, what if the pull was accidental? Still gonna go through with a report for "griefing"? If 3 out of 4 people want to do the thing faster, it's the slower one that is being rude, not the other way around.
/shrug

[Saraide]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

"pull without your permission" What you are looking for is not fellow players, you're looking for slaves. Perhaps you should be looking to trusts if other players not recognizing you as authority is that difficult for you.

[rewd]

If they pull for you without your permission, just report them for griefing. It is your job to grab and maintain agro not theirs. It is rude behavior. If they wanted a speed run, they should go in with a pre-made.

I personally hate being rushed and I like to take my time and enjoy myself in the dungeons with the people I play with regardless of what role I'm playing. It creates more opportunities to chat and make friends that you otherwise wouldn't have. This "go go go" mentality kills that fun. People in this thread acting like somebody forced them into the dungeon and they can't be in there a minute more than they should. Perhaps you should find other content to do if dungeon content is that boring to you?

I think being a GM in this game is miserable, considering the community. It's nice that you want to lighten up their day with joke reports. Seeing a "People played without my permission" report would surely makes them laugh for a bit