Worst housing system in the world

[YuzuyuVolanti]

Not for nothing, but aren't you just doing the exact same thing? [snip].

Just to throw numbers at this...

From subscription fees alone, Square gets somewhere in the ballpark of $300,000,000 and $600,000,000 in gross revenue per month, assuming their "40 million active players!" advertising can be taken at face value, and allowing fluctuation for currency and sub types. This isn't even including cash shop, expansion purchases, real merch purchases and the like. That's money that we all work for, and pay to them, to get the things we want to see in this game.

Squenix grossed about $263 billion for 2021, and has cited FFXIV as it's top earner. All of that for the housing system to sit in some varying degree of messed up or broken for the last decade. For Hrothgar to not get ears. For things people have complained about for 10 years to go unfixed.

I think it's perfectly justified to demand they take serious, sweeping action on a system that is forever going to be behind actual player demand with the money that they make from us. The fact that it hasn't already is unreal. It sits and festers like a wound, and every time it flares up, they just stick a new bandaid on it and go "no, it's okay, see?", ignoring the infection that's formed below. It's completely understandable for people to demand that their money go where they want it to go instead of waiting for another "sorry for the inconvenience" and "please look forward to it". We are long past the time for apologies. This is like if you DoorDashed sushi and they delivered you a fillet of fish from McD's.

They don't need to save money; they're not a struggling indie developer, a fresh-faced creator with an unexpected player base. Re-invest into the game, into the players, and they will more than return in kind, as we already have. As we continue to. The time for bandaids and money savers has more than passed.

[SilverSp]

Friend, you might need a break. Several of us are saying that the concept of socialization in wards is bad, that the socialization nearly never happens, and its not worth keeping the old system. Several of us are agreeing with you, you're just not following through with what we are saying and getting heated.

Not with the people that are agreeing . Others can disagree and theres nothing wrong with it BUT they have to be able to show the socialization that happens in wards happens consistently to a point where we should all agree to keep wards non instanced . There has to be a valid reason for wards to exist .

Literally once in a blue moon ill see someone for like 1.2 seconds until they go off to do their own thing... this pretentious "social ward" thing not worth denying players , im upset but not with anyone in particular. This is a result of lots of years of waiting for something good on the side of the game thats friendly and easy to navigate and its advertised with the game ...

[Amenara]

Squenix grossed about $263 billion for 2021

Not to nitpick but that is in Yen and is about $2.5bn. That being said, I agree with your points 100%. I think the problem is that FF14 is under the Square Enix umbrella of games, so it is literally propping up the other games that SE is producing, like Babylon's Fall. I'm not sure what amount of money from FF14 is flowing back into the game, but I have a bad feeling that it isn't as much as we think/want.

[SilverSp]

Not to nitpick but that is in Yen and is about $2.5bn. That being said, I agree with your points 100%. I think the problem is that FF14 is under the Square Enix umbrella of games, so it is literally propping up the other games that SE is producing, like Babylon's Fall. I'm not sure what amount of money from FF14 is flowing back into the game, but I have a bad feeling that it isn't as much as we think/want.

No matter what the coporate allocation is setup they should always be able to request and get access to better investments and this not an excuse for consumers who are paying money

[SilverSp]

Just to throw numbers at this...

From subscription fees alone, Square gets somewhere in the ballpark of $300,000,000 and $600,000,000 in gross revenue per month, assuming their "40 million active players!" advertising can be taken at face value, and allowing fluctuation for currency and sub types. This isn't even including cash shop, expansion purchases, real merch purchases and the like. That's money that we all work for, and pay to them, to get the things we want to see in this game.

Squenix grossed about $263 billion for 2021, and has cited FFXIV as it's top earner. All of that for the housing system to sit in some varying degree of messed up or broken for the last decade. For Hrothgar to not get ears. For things people have complained about for 10 years to go unfixed.

I think it's perfectly justified to demand they take serious, sweeping action on a system that is forever going to be behind actual player demand with the money that they make from us. The fact that it hasn't already is unreal. It sits and festers like a wound, and every time it flares up, they just stick a new bandaid on it and go "no, it's okay, see?", ignoring the infection that's formed below. It's completely understandable for people to demand that their money go where they want it to go instead of waiting for another "sorry for the inconvenience" and "please look forward to it". We are long past the time for apologies. This is like if you DoorDashed sushi and they delivered you a fillet of fish from McD's.

They don't need to save money; they're not a struggling indie developer, a fresh-faced creator with an unexpected player base. Re-invest into the game, into the players, and they will more than return in kind, as we already have. As we continue to. The time for bandaids and money savers has more than passed.

yup they cant make an excuse they cant use atleast 1% of that to invest into a better housing system or 2-3% of that into better servers with better capacity .

[YuzuyuVolanti]

Not to nitpick but that is in Yen and is about $2.5bn. That being said, I agree with your points 100%. I think the problem is that FF14 is under the Square Enix umbrella of games, so it is literally propping up the other games that SE is producing, like Babylon's Fall. I'm not sure what amount of money from FF14 is flowing back into the game, but I have a bad feeling that it isn't as much as we think/want.

Sorry- you are correct, I did read that LOL; I just totally forgot to change it/convert it in my sleepy state. I appreciate the polite correction nonetheless though! I think conversion makes that ~$2b and change USD. Still a huge number for sure, just not as spooky.

It's definitely far less than we expect/want being reinvested I would wager, yeah.

Edit: you already re-converted it for me oops, I need sleep omg

[GeminiReed]

Number of accounts created is not number of active subscribers. The estimates for active is somewhere between 1 and 2 million. So their gross would be in the 10-30 million USD range. In December 2021 they reported that their MMO sub division's operating revenue (subscription fees and cash shop) of 49,425 yen or 383m USD using today's conversion rate. Still nothing to sneeze at. The interesting note is that FFXIV saved Square's bacon last year since their other games didn't fare so well.

They have the funds and now with Yoshida on Square's BoD CBIII should have the political clout to reinvest more of XIV's profits back into the game. Unfortunately supply chain issues and one of the tightest jobs market in decades is making expansion very difficult.

This is just an observation and not in the least meant as a defense. The massive quit rate over the last three years has been a wake-up call to many firms.

[YuzuyuVolanti]

Number of accounts created is not number of active subscribers. The estimates for active is somewhere between 1 and 2 million. So their gross would be in the 10-30 million USD range. In December 2021 they reported that their MMO sub division's operating revenue (subscription fees and cash shop) of 49,425 yen or 383m USD using today's conversion rate. Still nothing to sneeze at. The interesting note is that FFXIV saved Square's bacon last year since their other games didn't fare so well.

They have the funds and now with Yoshida on Square's BoD CBIII should have the political clout to reinvest more of XIV's profits back into the game. Unfortunately supply chain issues and one of the tightest jobs market in decades is making expansion very difficult.

This is just an observation and not in the least meant as a defense. The massive quit rate over the last three years has been a wake-up call to many firms.

Yeah; I know the supply chain issue definitely exists, so I know it's a fair observation. I do feel like it exists far less for them than some other publishers, though. They did indicate (if I'm not mistaken) that they are intending to purchase, or already purchased, servers for NA that are being set up and will hopefully offset the burden and, maybe, allow them to find space to give us more. I can only hope. They were, iirc, hesitant/resistant to renting servers or buying cheaper ones, even if just as a temporary measure to offset their huge player boom and allow them the room to start fixing things. Which seems odd to me, but, I hope now that they've finally got ones they want, or ones that are their own, we'll see some big changes in (August? I think that's when they were going to launch new NA servers??).

I really hope we see more pro-player want/need advocacy and see them taking us more seriously as time goes on. I have no doubt the game could continue to make them a ton of money, and even surpass itself more and more if we see really good feedback between player and dev. Continuing to foster that relationship can go such a long way- a way I don't think they're managing to completely capitalize on if the state of housing is any indication.

I just want the best for everyone.

[SilverSp]

Yeah; I know the supply chain issue definitely exists, so I know it's a fair observation. I do feel like it exists far less for them than some other publishers, though. They did indicate (if I'm not mistaken) that they are intending to purchase, or already purchased, servers for NA that are being set up and will hopefully offset the burden and, maybe, allow them to find space to give us more. I can only hope. They were, iirc, hesitant/resistant to renting servers or buying cheaper ones, even if just as a temporary measure to offset their huge player boom and allow them the room to start fixing things. Which seems odd to me, but, I hope now that they've finally got ones they want, or ones that are their own, we'll see some big changes in (August? I think that's when they were going to launch new NA servers??).

I really hope we see more pro-player want/need advocacy and see them taking us more seriously as time goes on. I have no doubt the game could continue to make them a ton of money, and even surpass itself more and more if we see really good feedback between player and dev. Continuing to foster that relationship can go such a long way- a way I don't think they're managing to completely capitalize on if the state of housing is any indication.

I just want the best for everyone.

IF they haver any intention to keep player base growing they have to produce everything at a larger quantity for example if its 20 Million players now then who knows in a year or two it could be 40 million then it will be worse . So they should be looking into increasing everything just to make sure its possible.

[SilverSp]

LOL as if anything will change.