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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    "Beast hairstyles are hard so they take a while."

    Well... modders proved you wrong.

    "Oh-- Well. we have to test them and make sure they work."

    ... But they don't work. You messed up the Viera hairlines and removed Hrothgar's ears AND gave them a jellybean head.

    "oh dang would you look at that, housing broke. See you guys next expansion... maybe!"
    How did housing break this bad, did you not test things?

    "Nah we do test our game, we test it all the time! We promise, we don't give our players half-finished stuff anymore, stuff that seriously breaks their experience of the game and limits how much they can do. Stuff like this just happens."

    ...then why are my ears gone?

    "Oh uhh... uhh... It's really hard!!" *dramatic ninja poof*

    Random Modder: ...so I just flipped a metadata switch, here, have your ears back. Also Square Enix went from having 8 faces to 16 faces per Hrothgar clan. You can only change to your counterpart hairstyle, and even then, you're changing your whole head model, not just the hair. We'll see what we can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Random Modder: ...so I just flipped a metadata switch, here, have your ears back. Also Square Enix went from having 8 faces to 16 faces per Hrothgar clan. You can only change to your counterpart hairstyle, and even then, you're changing your whole head model, not just the hair. We'll see what we can do.
    This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.
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    Genshin Impact a free to play mobile gatcha game puts out events every 40 days that are fully voiced and an engaging story. FF which is a subscription game with a full price tag does like 5 events a year and still can't put 10% of the effort. Something is wrong.

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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pip_Chick View Post
    This just makes me feel so bad for the modders! Like they are that one person in customer service that is trying their hardest to help you with your problem, while SE is that one employee that plays on their phone all day and conveniently goes on breaks when a customer shows up.
    I'm not even joking when I say I know of one modder that messes around with Hrothgar hairstyles. They don't have any professional qualifications, just "I know how to do this and I find doing it cool ". Sometimes the process is easy and straightforward, sometimes they need to adjust the hairstyle a little to make it fit properly and not look like it's just detached from the head or something.

    They don't let stuff just hang there, floating stiffly like wire on a bad wig. They don't turn your head into a peanut to pretend like stuff didn't get sloppily stretched to fit. They care. They are an amateur, but they put care into the stuff that they release, stuff that they aren't paid to do and took time that they didn't have to take to make.

    Meanwhile this for Square Enix, with products with a certain quality like these, is such a rocket-science-impossible feat that they just give us stuff in that state and need to do the dumbest thing possible to our head models to make stuff work.

    ...I'll be cruel here. Really cruel. And I apologize because not only is it cruel-sounding, it's also cruel to say to someone who is Japanese. But no wonder they need to hire new people if this is the best they can do.
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    Last edited by Midareyukki; 04-22-2022 at 11:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    I'm not even joking when I say I know of one modder that messes around with Hrothgar hairstyles. They don't have any professional qualifications, just "I know how to do this and I find doing it cool ". Sometimes the process is easy and straightforward, sometimes they need to adjust the hairstyle a little to make it fit properly and not look like it's just detached from the head or something.

    They don't let stuff just hang there, floating stiffly like wire on a bad wig. They don't turn your head into a peanut to pretend like stuff didn't get sloppily stretched to fit. They care. They are an amateur, but they put care into the stuff that they release, stuff that they aren't paid to do and took time that they didn't have to take to make.

    Meanwhile this for Square Enix, who's been able to give us stuff like this, is such a rocket-science-impossible feat that they just give us stuff in that state and need to do the dumbest thing possible to our head models to make stuff work.

    ...I'll be cruel here. Really cruel. And I apologize because not only is it cruel-sounding, it's also cruel to say to someone who is Japanese. But no wonder they need to hire new people if this is the best they can do.
    can't direct link wikia images my dude.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    can't direct link wikia images my dude.
    Then I link the official Square Enix website for those same products. As well as the link to KH4's official announcement video in their Kingdom Hearts youtube channel. The effect is still the same: Photorealistic stuff? Totally doable. Viera and Hrothgar? Like building a perpetual motion machine.

    I've heard from the guys over at Ubisoft who made Assassin's Creed 2 directly at a symposium in my friend's university say that the hardest thing about designing Ezio wasn't the character model, but the layered clothing. Hrothgar hair featuring ears comes nowhere near close as being layered clothing. No one is asking for Noctis levels of hair strands, especially not since Noctis himself is featured with play-do hair in this game.

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    Last edited by Midareyukki; 04-23-2022 at 12:26 AM.