Suggestion - An Alternate Start [Light, Vague 6.1 Spoilers Included]

[Iscah]

Oh no, when I say "intro" I mean like a single hour of the game meant to introduce you to the state of the world (and some major dungeon mechanics) by the end of EW (kinda like how we're given at the start of ARR) and some basic information to get us right into 6.1's escapades. My suggestion merges right into the main story 6.1 starts setting up and continues on like normal as if you were an existing character.

What you're suggesting is not something that would need only an hour's exposition. It would mess with every scene where the other characters would want to say "remember the time you did X".

If a player wants to start from Season 2, there is no harm in them hearing "remember when you did X" because that just establishes to them that it's an important thing they've skipped over but are now getting the basic notes.

This is actually what was said

The Unending Codex is still in the planning phase, but within the next ten years, we may eventually need something that allows people to play the game without starting from the very beginning, which is what we’re preparing for with this feature. If possible, we’re hoping to include entries on important lore concepts such as aether and the six elements.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5874863

Thanks for the quote. I didn't think he'd said anything about 6.1 specifically being the starting point. I'm still unconvinced that it is the new starting point versus being a wrap-up arc preparing for 7.0 as the new launch point.

I know we're collecting codex entries now, but (particularly given that it's framed as your character making notes) that could just be to build up a resource for the new beginners to have dropped on them in one big lump later.

The only problem is 6.1 doesn't feel like a starting point, but it kinda could be a starting point. The biggest mistake was bringing the scions back in for 6.1 IMO because they will just confuse players coming in.

It's only a mistake if you assume that (A) it is the starting point and (B) the Scions are not intended to be ongoing characters in the new storyline.

If it's not the starting point, there's nothing to debate here.

If it is the starting point, and the Scions are continuing as support characters, then now is as good a time for an introduction as any.

[hagare]

Which, again, is why it's just a bonus, otherwise there would be far more differences than not.

Just because two people do the same thing, doesn't mean they're the same person.
I think what you mean is that legacy players and ARR players have the same narrative impact overall.
Because their past don't really have much impact to their future actions. Hence Legacy and ARR basically have the same effect to Season 1.
New Journey could be to ARR like how ARR was to legacy.
A fresh start.

[IdowhatIwant]

Perhaps people should start considering it content instead of a roadblock. If you walked into the store tomorrow and saw a new RPG game with "1,000 hours of content" you would be stoked and buy that in the blink of an eye.

Not when about 600 hours of that content is a movie, or a novel.

[Iscah]

Not when about 600 hours of that content is a movie, or a novel.

That is literally the sort of content you expect out of a JRPG.

[Mirhd]

Just because two people do the same thing, doesn't mean they're the same person.
I think what you mean is that legacy players and ARR players have the same narrative impact overall.
Because their past don't really have much impact to their future actions. Hence Legacy and ARR basically have the same effect to Season 1.
New Journey could be to ARR like how ARR was to legacy.
A fresh start.

ARR wasn't a reboot of the narrative, but a continuation, as is the 6.1 patch to EW. I think you're looking a little too much into something that was lit put in just for legacy players as a "hey, thanks for sticking with us!" - a little nod to their continued support, much like the legacy tattoo and lower sub price. It really isn't deeper than that.

That is literally the sort of content you expect out of a JRPG.

Odd that this is even up for debate, really.

[Hyperia]

As much as I understand how some may want to use 6.1 as a new starting point, doing so would cheapen the experience of the player.

I could only see that work if, after we returned from Ultimate Thule, a large time skip happened and we were not able to bring the scions back, only ourselves. Since that did not happen, play from 2.0 and enjoy 600+ hour of game for 60.00 dollars which is an insanely good deal.

[hagare]

ARR wasn't a reboot of the narrative, but a continuation, as is the 6.1 patch to EW. I think you're looking a little too much into something that was lit put in just for legacy players as a "hey, thanks for sticking with us!" - a little nod to their continued support, much like the legacy tattoo and lower sub price. It really isn't deeper than that.

hey, if that's the way you think of it.

[Rannie]

That isn't even fully true for 1.0 anymore. If you run the Coils of Bahamut even if you started in 2.0 you were acknowledged as one of the heroes of Cartenau, it's just only Legacy players got the MSQ cutscenes.

Are you talking about what Louisoix says?

If you are I've watched that scene as both legacy and someone who was non legacy and he says two completely different things

[Rongway]

Also skipping people to such a high level would leave us with many people at higher level content who have no clue how their jobs/classes work

I agree with your post except for this part, which I don't believe to be a real issue. Anyone who cares enough to play their job competently will learn to play their job competently whether they start at Lv1 or Lv1000, and someone who starts at a higher level may even learn their job better because they will be missing fewer actions and not building bad habits by trying to learn their job while missing important actions. Anyone who doesn't figure out their job after starting at a high level outright is the same type of person who also would not have figured out their job while leveling from a low level.

[hagare]

Are you talking about what Louisoix says?

If you are I've watched that scene as both legacy and someone who was non legacy and he says two completely different things

details please