Frustrating relative lack of LGBT NPCs in this game

[IkaraGreydancer]

Why are we asking for sexuality to be inserted into a game that rarely even touches on it? Representation is fine and all but knowing a character is straight or gay shouldn't make you like them more. And if it doesn't serve a purpose other than making a sect of folks feel good thats just tokenism. Not really knowing is how things should be as that'd how it is in the real world.

I don't like Raubahn more because he's black like me. I like him because he's a strong and loyal badass. Who he wants to sleep with is irrelevant.

You are more than who you prefer to sleep with people

[dustdjinn]

Why are we asking for sexuality to be inserted into a game that rarely even touches on it? Representation is fine and all but knowing a character is straight or gay shouldn't make you like them more. And if it doesn't serve a purpose other than making a sect of folks feel good thats just tokenism. Not really knowing is how things should be as that'd how it is in the real world.

I don't like Raubahn more because he's black like me. I like him because he's a strong and loyal badass. Who he wants to sleep with is irrelevant.

You are more than who you prefer to sleep with people

To begin this is a troll post and people shouldn't be reviving it but your statement made me need to correct a point you seem to misunderstand.

You are boiling down the LGBTQ community to just sex but thats not what they are asking for. Romance is not inherently sexual. Knowing more about a characters likes and interest make them more real. I assume you have no problem with Runar's crush on Yshtola or a focus on the married Chia's on the first or Wedges crush on Tataru, or Thancreds old womanizing ways or the tons of other couples we meet along the way. This argument is only have brought up when the LGTBQ ask for a seat at the table. Gay people can be more openly put into the game and it wouldn't be tokenism, you just don't want it and use that as an excuse.

[Vryn]

To begin this is a troll post and people shouldn't be reviving it but your statement made me need to correct a point you seem to misunderstand.

You are boiling down the LGBTQ community to just sex but thats not what they are asking for. Romance is not inherently sexual. Knowing more about a characters likes and interest make them more real. I assume you have no problem with Runar's crush on Yshtola or a focus on the married Chia's on the first or Wedges crush on Tataru, or Thancreds old womanizing ways or the tons of other couples we meet along the way. This argument is only have brought up when the LGTBQ ask for a seat at the table. Gay people can be more openly put into the game and it wouldn't be tokenism, you just don't want it and use that as an excuse.

Knowing a character's sexual preferences doesn't make them more real, knowing the character as a human being makes them more real such as what they like to eat, what culture are they from, what their favourite hobby is. I don't my boss at work's sexual preferences or my cousins they are very real to the point I dont want to see them. You are correct gay people can be in a game without it being tokenism but no one liked Thancred when he was a womaniser, not many people like Runar because of his crush on Yshtola because it infringes on their fantasy. The more sexuality and sexual preference into a 16+ game the more people dislike it because the majority of people dont care about someone's sexuality and I find it disingenuous that you say the LGBT community is asking to be at the table, a few people of that community are no one elected them as our representatives. It's rather obnoxious for them to be pushing their sexuality on the game at all. Most RPGs just allow you to romance everyone at this no matter the circumstance the only game which doesn't was dragon age and people had a problem with that.

I will also add no one cares about NPCs when people talk about representation they mean main characters, lets not deny it, that's where this convo has always been headed.

[SturmChurro]

Most RPGs just allow you to romance everyone at this no matter the circumstance the only game which doesn't was dragon age and people had a problem with that.

I kind of like how NPCs had preferences in RPGs like Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I really enjoy the romances in those games actually. It feels a lot more personal, and often times even had an effect on the outcome of your ending in any particular playthrough. Having characters just like anyone really does romance a disservice in RPGs, in my opinion. For example, the Steve Cortez romance is generally considered pretty well done.

[Vryn]

I kind of like how NPCs had preferences in RPGs like Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I really enjoy the romances in those games actually. It feels a lot more personal, and often times even had an effect on the outcome of your ending in any particular playthrough. Having characters just like anyone really does romance a disservice in RPGs, in my opinion. For example, the Steve Cortez romance is generally considered pretty well done.

I agree but every time they did it, it was complaints about Biware being exclusionary and it was tiring because instead of congratulating them on a fantastic story and well-written characters were complaining that we didn't get to shag our favourite companion or how a character wasn't gay enough or they didn't act the right way or how language in the story was problematic and could trigger people who have never had a mental condition in their life.

[SturmChurro]

I agree but every time they did it, it was complaints about Biware being exclusionary and it was tiring because instead of congratulating them on a fantastic story and well-written characters were complaining that we didn't get to shag our favourite companion or how a character wasn't gay enough or they didn't act the right way or how language in the story was problematic and could trigger people who have never had a mental condition in their life.

Writers and developers really shouldn't listen to these people, it halts creativity. A character like Dorian being gay is a defining trait, and is a part of what shaped him into who he is. How he wasn't accepted as who he was. You can still write a good story with diverse characters, but a writer's work shouldn't be stunted just because a few people are going to whine on Twitter or wherever else.

[Vryn]

Writers and developers really shouldn't listen to these people, it halts creativity. A character like Dorian being gay is a defining trait, and is a part of what shaped him into who he is. How he wasn't accepted as who he was. You can still write a good story with diverse characters, but a writer's work shouldn't be stunted just because a few people are going to whine on Twitter or wherever else.

Dorian was a great character and I loved the arc with his father but the problem is these people who value sexuality as their main character trait are then hired at the company and their arc isn't a wizard who is gay it this is a gay wizard and were going to revolve his storyline around the fact that he is gay and oppressed because he is gay and we have to scream from the writer's room that this character is gay to show how good we are as human beings because we want to look progressive and virtues. Then it basically becomes a tick box setting of we need one white character, one black, one gay or lesbian etc. The best storylines are Solas storyline, its Blackwalls, its cullen dealing with PTSD and a drug addiction.

[MellowMink]

Who he wants to sleep with is irrelevant.

You are more than who you prefer to sleep with people

Why is sexual attraction focused on here when the requests from some people about increased representation are clearly more about romantic attraction or gender identity?