Regarding the reaction to 6.1 SAM changes

[SlickPaws]

I don't have a dog in that race, they could had kept Kaiten in the game until that moment comes.
But Shinten vs Kaiten disparity was always going to limit future actions no matter what.

For someone who doesn't have a dog in this race, you sure seem to care a lot about telling us how useless Kaiten was.
It's interesting how the only people who seem to applaud these changes are people who don't main SAM or play it regularly. What's more interesting is that you're a SMN and instead of empathising with another class that's getting ruined, you're gloating and otherwise not adding much to a 'race that you don't have a dog in.' SAM mains have *all* the dogs in the race, they have the racetrack and they have the punters who are placing bets, it's probably worth listening to what they have to say.

[WaveBomber]

Samurai main ever since I hit lv50 on my first job back in the second month of Stormblood, presently farming P4S with my static.

I very much laothe the removal of Hissatsu: Kaiten.
I've been practicing on striking dummies this morning of patch 6.1, and the lack of Kaiten feels awful. In spite of guaranteed critical hits, Midare Setsugekka, Ogi Namakiri, and their Kaeshi variants feel un-earned and powerless without Kaiten's satisfying wind-up animation and sound effect.
Moreover, lacking Kaiten's effect on the Kenki gauge causes the resource to feel rather pointless, and it feels awkward using Shinten (and ONLY Shinten) more frequently as a result.
Tenka Goken being a circle AoE rather than a cone is fine, but like with other Iajutsu actions, the lack of Kaiten makes it feel flaccid.

Hissatsu: Kaiten is to Samurai's Iajutsu as impact frames are to an explosive animation, as a moment's silence is to an epic orchestral drop. It's the key tension-builder that's been with me since I started the game in earnest, and it pains me to feel so dissatisfied with the job I've loved so dearly these many years because of Kaiten's absence.

[Kolsykol]

I genuinely am thrilled & excited for SAM changes + less buttons/less cluttering = the more fun, more immersion, the better!

I truly don’t understand why is it bothering most people that bad,

It hardly is any nerfing really

Wtf does it have to do with immersion?
Kaiten is like the last button that could be considered button bloat, it added actual variety to the Kenki spending if you want to talk about button bloat then look at Shoha 1 and 2 for example...

I really don't understand why people think that less buttons = more fun, it just makes it more repetitive and less varied that's not an opinion that's just objectively true.
And Kaiten wasn't button bloat it added more to the rotation than a lot of other skills do.

Yeah the MSQ NPC fight sequences, truly the height of fun gameplay with their 2-4 buttons.

It's mostly from people who meta bandwagon honestly, there are plenty of other jobs in much worse shape than SAM ever was who never complained to this alarming degree.

What does this have to do with '' meta bandwagons ''???????????????????
This is a gameplay issue holy hell I am going absolutely insane, please recognize that maybe if people in such large numbers are vocal about something they might actually have a point.
Especially people who actually play SAM as their main Job and doesn't just do the MSQ and dungeons.
It's so annoying to read people talking about it who don't even understand why people are upset o_O.

[DreadfullyAwful]

It's mostly from people who meta bandwagon honestly, there are plenty of other jobs in much worse shape than SAM ever was who never complained to this alarming degree.

Looking at your characters on lodestone, maybe you should unlock SAM via the job quest and actually level it to 90 before giving feedback on changes.

[Kolsykol]

Looking at your characters on lodestone, maybe you should unlock SAM via the job quest and actually level it to 90 before giving feedback on changes.

'' Hey guys I don't play SAM/ just dinged it/ boosted it and imma lecture you all about how these changes are good and why y'all are toxic elitists. ''

[Leviosa]

I’ll start by disclosing that I don’t main Samurai, or play it to any meaningful extent, but I agree with many Samurai mains that these changes compromise the core aspect of the job and diminish the rewarding playstyle that it provided.

As a friend who does main samurai since the job was originally released put it, “imagine if they removed dragon kick, gave bootshine auto crit without it, but cut the potency of your chakra finishers to half and gave it to twin snakes and snap.” Basically, removing a cool ability that is a meaningful part of the job, and killing the impact felt by playing properly and building your resources. It’s like a story that doesn’t have any rising action, and the climax is something boring and predictable.

SE is removing the feel of playing a samurai from SAM, taking away the buildup, the oomph, and what’s left is a more generic and bland play-style. I don’t have to play the job to understand the outcry against these changes.

Please SE, look at the negative impact this has had on the enjoyment of your player base, and consider reverting these drastic changes. I want to keep playing an MMO in which each job has an least some semblance of unique identity. Otherwise, what’s the point of having different jobs to choose from?

[Val_Bloodfallen]

How incredibly condescending. I've been maining this class since Stormblood and you say all of our opinions and experience with the class are invalid? Get over yourself.

Also it seems you weren't here during the Hagakure debacle; there was similar backlash which prompted SE to re-add it back into the game. Then again based on your posts, ignorance on this matter seems to be your forte.

Facts! People that dont even play the class should just stfu since it has nothing to do with them and are obviously clueless in regards to how these changes negatively effect the synergy that sam has with other jobs, not to mention how less fun and hollow it feels.

[Ranh]

Facts! People that dont even play the class should just stfu since it has nothing to do with them and are obviously clueless in regards to how these changes negatively effect the synergy that sam has with other jobs, not to mention how less fun and hollow it feels.

Correct. The main criticism isn't even about damage but about the feel of the job after the changes.

[CelestiCer]

Correct. The main criticism isn't even about damage but about the feel of the job after the changes.

Pretty much this. There are just several argue points I keep seeing
- Button/Action Bloat Excuse
- DPS Performance didn't change
- It's just one button
- Gatekeeping
6.1 SAM changes did not address anything.

Action/Bloat got debunked and multiple better solutions got proposed already. DPS performance did get hit and the feel of hitting big hits got reduced. Part of our identity to hit hard btw. 6.1 wasn't just one Button removal, Kaiten meant a whole damn lot to our gameplay. Gatekeeping... what even does this mean? the game is to hard? are you doing Savage/Ultimates? You don't need to know proper rotations of anything to do casual content. You're gatekeeping yourself.

No matter " What the reason " in someway shape or form, Samurai enjoyment got hit in 6.1. Yes Enjoyment. Numbers/Parsing/Rotation Execution/Aesthetics/Feel of AoE, it got negatively hit for fixing " Absolutely Nothing " and Addressing complaints no one made before the patch hit.

[Kaseladen]

It's mostly from people who meta bandwagon honestly, there are plenty of other jobs in much worse shape than SAM ever was who never complained to this alarming degree.

Its almost like you have no idea what you're talking about