What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Vahlnir]

I think it's incredibly ironic the people complaining the most in this thread about people shutting down their criticisms are the ones who are shutting down any positive word the strongest. Not that people don't have valid complaints. But we all should be able to give our feedback without being insulted. Terms like "white knight" or "blind to issues" or "shilling" when someone says something positive is just as non-constructive as calling someone a whiner for bringing up complaints. Acting like anyone who doesn't agree with everything you find wrong with the game doesn't have any complaints at all is probably not winning you any friends.

Everyone is free to have their own opinions. If they want to try to spread positivity, that's their choice, but it's not exactly the best time. Do I like some of the things they added with this patch? Sure. But they've gotta give respect to get it, and I feel very disrespected right now as a customer. I think a lot of people are done playing nice. I am one of those people. We don't need people praising the developers right now. Now is the time to draw our line in the sand.

Edit: I hate the post limit. lol

Perfectly valid for you to feel disrespected. NOT valid for you to crap on anyone who doesn't. And if people want to praise the developers and focus on the things they like, they have just as much right to do so as you do. No one telling you to play nice with the developers. Don't turn your vitriol on other players who don't think the same as you do.

I saw someone on this very thread say they thought this patch as great and a whole lot of you just dogpiled on them. Their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Again, they are free to have their opinions and post them here. We are just as free to disagree with them, and they in return. However, some people need to learn to read a room as well.

[TaleraRistain]

Everyone is free to have their own opinions. If they want to try to spread positivity, that's their choice, but it's not exactly the best time. Do I like some of the things they added with this patch? Sure. But they've gotta give respect to get it, and I feel very disrespected right now as a customer. I think a lot of people are done playing nice. I am one of those people. We don't need people praising the developers right now. Now is the time to draw our line in the sand.

Perfectly valid for you to feel disrespected. NOT valid for you to crap on anyone who doesn't. And if people want to praise the developers and focus on the things they like, they have just as much right to do so as you do. No one is telling you to play nice with the developers. Don't turn your vitriol on other players who don't think the same as you do.

I saw someone on this very thread say they thought this patch as great and a whole lot of you just dogpiled on them. Their opinion is just as valid as yours.

[Vryn]

Perfectly valid for you to feel disrespected. NOT valid for you to crap on anyone who doesn't. And if people want to praise the developers and focus on the things they like, they have just as much right to do so as you do—no one telling you to play nice with the developers. Don't turn your vitriol on other players who don't think the same as you do.

I saw someone on this thread say they thought this patch was great, and a lot of you just dogpiled on them. Their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Crap? Just because you don't like the words he uses or the tone of his reasoning doesn't mean he's crapping on them. If people want to praise Square, they can start their thread rather than coming into a complaint thread to subvert people trying to vent their concerns about the game, which is more malicious than someone being slightly blunt with them.

It was okay if they thought it was great, but they make their thread. Who thought people would be happy with others telling them to calm down or that their opinion is somehow worthless because they revamped PVP? How else did you think they were going to take it?

There is a time and place for this, and it's not on this thread. It would be on their post. It's like someone who has cancer being told it is not bad because they had a great life.

[Syrri]

It's like someone who has cancer being told it is not bad because they had a great life.

Agreed, its disgusting how many of these white knights can't just take these complaints seriously, this whole thread is absolutely and completely 100% as serious as a terminal illness and we will not be denied our agency to fight back against the evil developers!

/s

[Lauront]

Crap? Just because you don't like the words he uses or the tone of his reasoning doesn't mean he's crapping on them. If people want to praise Square, they can start their thread rather than coming into a complaint thread to subvert people trying to vent their concerns about the game, which is more malicious than someone being slightly blunt with them.

It was okay if they thought it was great, but they make their thread. Who thought people would be happy with others telling them to calm down or that their opinion is somehow worthless because they revamped PVP? How else did you think they were going to take it?

There is a time and place for this, and it's not on this thread. It would be on their post. It's like someone who has cancer being told it is not bad because they had a great life.

If they're referring to this post, that person wasn't just saying the patch is great, they were also implying the complaints were invalid in the last sentence, which they more or less went to confirm a few posts later on.

[TaleraRistain]

Crap? Just because you don't like the words he uses or the tone of his reasoning doesn't mean he's crapping on them. If people want to praise Square, they can start their thread rather than coming into a complaint thread to subvert people trying to vent their concerns about the game, which is more malicious than someone being slightly blunt with them.

No they can't, because then the people unhappy come into that thread and have the "How dare you say something positive" attitude or accuse them of ignoring or being blind to issues. Can we just agree that people are going to have differing opinions and we don't get to decide when those opinions get stated? Everyone should feel free to speak up on these forums, but I rarely see anything positive because the negative people jump down their throats when they do.

[Theodric]

No they can't, because then the people unhappy come into that thread and have the "How dare you say something positive" attitude or accuse them of ignoring or being blind to issues. Can we just agree that people are going to have differing opinions and we don't get to decide when those opinions get stated? Everyone should feel free to speak up on these forums, but I rarely see anything positive because the negative people jump down their throats when they do.

Which post are you referring to, exactly? Do you have a link?

[TaleraRistain]

Which post are you referring to, exactly? Do you have a link?

You mean like this one where the poster was intimidated into changing their original post? It's just the latest. It's not always at a time when there's an issue. People go into positive threads all the time with negativity. And it's not even a problem that people disagree. They can come into the thread and say "X isn't my cup of tea or whatever" and that's fine. That's free and open exchange of ideas. But that doesn't happen. The thread 9 times out of 10 goes into a handful of people insulting the poster. We don't all have to agree all the time. That would get boring. But we need to respect that we all have a variety of opinions.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Developers

[Theodric]

You mean like this one where the poster was intimidated into changing their original post? It's just the latest. It's not always at a time when there's an issue. People go into positive threads all the time with negativity. And it's not even a problem that people disagree. They can come into the thread and say "X isn't my cup of tea or whatever" and that's fine. That's free and open exchange of ideas. But that doesn't happen. The thread 9 times out of 10 goes into a handful of people insulting the poster. We don't all have to agree all the time. That would get boring. But we need to respect that we all have a variety of opinions.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...the-Developers

I read that exchange. The discussion was fairly civil until around this point:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5904961

Yet even after that remained fairly civil. At no point was the OP "intimidated" - they chose of their own volition to change their post after some back and forth, but please don't pretend anyone forced them or "intimidated" them.

Especially when it devolved into this:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5905000