What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[Kaurhz]

It’s growing more rampant by the week…well it’s almost as if SE has given people reasons to be upset. It’s almost like in the past couple of weeks we’ve seen their horrible development standards what with hrothgar and the job changes.

If this has been, as you so eloquently, and many others have put it a gleaming issue for the past 6 years in some areas, then it is probably a time to take it as a stark reality that the game just doesn't have that same philosophy anymore and for people to be less offended when people propose they try other games. But like I said, people have apparent allergies.

P.S. Before someone wants to make the wild accusation that it's easy for me to say, no it isn't. I've watched for the past years to see the engagement of crafting become a husk of its former self. Whilst I don't agree with it, I certainly understand their philosophy and reason for doing so.

[Dionysius]

Laser Beams whm, PTSD carteneau from smn's etc etc. Dead Blm and mch in strange position. But they just need add stun-immunity for few sec after previous stun and it's fine.

Let me get in for some secret, Laser beams whm isn't the real issue when both sides can beam each other. WHM currently has Cure II bugs that instantly reset the charges. This is the real issue players have to speak out for them to fix.

Idk if posting link is against TOS, guess I'll risk it.

https://twitter.com/DynamicTaru/stat...74863513456642

[Lauront]

I can see how some of "you" in the forum just want the game to get better by pretending the game is shit at it's core. Talking down real issue like COVID to keep shitting on the company so they can keep the engine running even harder than before.

It's just sad if they use forum to listen to feedback, and they will get nothing out of it. Just misinformation and hate, nothing that makes sense or even constructive.
I hope this won't drown all those posts with legit concerns and straight arguments to be heard instead of all these non-sense.

To re-state what I said: the amount of time for the delay is in excess with what they indicated the setback was, i.e. on the order of 3-4 months give or take, when in effect this ended being 6+ months based on their usual release cycle. If you think that's "talking down", it speaks more to a deficiency in your reading comprehension abilities, intellectual honesty, or both.

As to the rest, it is merely deluded shilling, so I think any further engagement with you would be a waste of my time. The devs are going to get feedback, whether they read it or not, whether you and others like you trying to shut it down like it or not, and if the devs don't pay heed to it? Well, they can spend the next few months scratching their heads when people eventually do begin unsubbing.

[IdowhatIwant]

I like this patch and I would agree that it is one of their best patches. Though I think 6.2 will be better. That being said, I don't think it is without flaws. They're spreading content out, but they're spreading it too thin, way too thin, and if Deep Dungeon and whatever the Bozja equivalent will be, if those systems aren't merged then I'll definitely say too thinly.

They've got so many systems in the game now that are distinct when in reality they should be combined/merged somehow to create a really nice flare. I always look at Heaven on High and Eureka Pyros/Hydatos and think... "Man, wouldn't it be amazing if deep dungeon had the Logos/Lost Actions systems".

I definitely think there's a bit of the melodramatic here though.

I think 6.1 is about the same as every x.1 patch slightly worst than most. Adventurer plates are neat for all you weirdos that are obsessed with this sort of crap content and the glamour system. (Don't get my wrong glamour is the true end game but some of you get to obsessed) MSQ was pretty cool as usual pissed me off where it ended, dungeon sucked as usual. Haven't done 24 man, I have heard it is pretty fun, our 3rd or 4th pvp revamp is the best revamp so far, the housing lotto was doomed to be problems since it was announced (I had more faith in Diadem than the lotto), and pretty unusual for a patch like this, very bad job changes.

I don't think people are being melodramatic though. I think the line is being drawn for a lot of people as this game does have a lot of false promises and short comings. Not all of us can pretend to be blind of problems for ever like others, and some players are new and just haven't experiences our repetitive patch cycles. I hope they do better, but lets be honest this patch was way messier than most. So calling people melodramatic for expressing concerns, anger, or criticism over this patch is just childish.

[PaulH]

Honestly, the WoW comparisons are strange to me because...it can easily be inferred that after seeing the decline of WoW in real time many players moved over to FFXIV who are now seeing the exact same decline here as well.

WoW didn't collapse into controversy over the course of a single expansion. It was a slow, steady process that consisted of many different problems stacking up atop one another. Even then, many players rushed to stifle feedback and pretend everything was fine.

Absolutely!!

I am looking forward to cross DC travel so I can find you Theodric (Matthieu) for man hugs from Odin -> Cerberus as I do like your forum posts :-D

[SturmChurro]

The devs are going to get feedback, whether they read it or not, whether you and others like you trying to shut it down like it or not, and if the devs don't pay heed to it? Well, they can spend the next few months scratching their heads when people eventually do begin unsubbing.

Yep, even I have been considering taking a long break, if this game's direction continues this downward spiral. Like waiting until the next expansion. I've always taken breaks, but never that long before, and I usually stay subbed (at least periodically) during my breaks. I've never been a person who puts my money where my mouth is. I still spent on fantasias, all the while complaining about the state of viera, and I still remain subbed (I haven't played the game much since mid-January).

It's because this game doesn't have legitimate competition.

WoW failing has been one of the worst things that could have happened for this game, especially at the time it did.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Absolutely!!

I am looking forward to cross DC travel so I can find you Theodric (Matthieu) for man hugs from Odin -> Cerberus as I do like your forum posts :-D

That makes two of us

[Kaurhz]

I think 6.1 is about the same as every 6.1 patch slightly worst than most. Adventurer plates are neat for all you weirdos that are obsessed with this sort of crap content and the glamour system. (Don't get my wrong glamour is the true end game but some of you get to obsessed) MSQ was pretty cool as usual pissed me off where it ended, dungeon sucked as usual. Haven't done 24 man, I have heard it is pretty fun, our 3rd or 4th pvp revamp is the best revamp so far, the housing lotto was doomed to be problems since it was announced (I had more faith in Diadem than the lotto), and pretty unusual for a patch like this, very bad job changes.

I don't think people are being melodramatic though. I think the line is being drawn for a lot of people as this game does have a lot of false promises and short comings. Not all of us can pretend to be blind of problems for ever like others, and some players are new and just haven't experiences our repetitive patch cycles. I hope they do better, but lets be honest this patch was way messier than most. So calling people melodramatic for expressing concerns, anger, or criticism over this patch is just childish.

It's an each to their own taste, at this point we're just arguing tastes which is a needless debate in and of itself.

Since you didn't really take the luxury of reading my other posts. I'll give you a summary. The criticisms and issues alone are not where the melodrama stems from, it is what people do with those criticisms and issues, ultimately. Once again, this comes from a community that is notorious for having the expectancy that all criticisms must be homogenous, some even going as far to say otherwise is white knighting. I'll go on but I don't really fancy repeating myself. It's had some messy implementations, yes, and this is as per my post largely as a result of them spreading themselves too thin. Refer to the second paragraph. Barring these few messy implementations, I've personally been having a blast. But I don't think they need me telling them it is messy when they've already had to make a public statement on the Lodestone about their housing issues.

I don't think you should be the one calling out people as being childish, given your opening statement, really.

[Ashpd]

Let me get in for some secret, Laser beams whm isn't the real issue when both sides can beam each other. WHM currently has Cure II bugs that instantly reset the charges. This is the real issue players have to speak out for them to fix.

Idk if posting link is against TOS, guess I'll risk it.

https://twitter.com/DynamicTaru/stat...74863513456642

If you had been so kind as to read what we were talking about, you would have seen a conversation about balance, not bugs. And balance in PVP right now is worse than before. Bring back Feast, come on SE, it was fine

[Johners]

WoW failing has been one of the worst things that could have happened for this game, especially at the time it did.

It hasn't failed, it's still insanely popular and has just as many players. For a failed game, it's probably still joint biggest MMO with FFXIV rather than having a clear lead. New expansion announcement on Tuesday anyway so unless they're going to be majorly out of touch again, there could easily be an exodus the other way.