What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[IdowhatIwant]

I like this patch and I would agree that it is one of their best patches. Though I think 6.2 will be better. That being said, I don't think it is without flaws. They're spreading content out, but they're spreading it too thin, way too thin, and if Deep Dungeon and whatever the Bozja equivalent will be, if those systems aren't merged then I'll definitely say too thinly.

They've got so many systems in the game now that are distinct when in reality they should be combined/merged somehow to create a really nice flare. I always look at Heaven on High and Eureka Pyros/Hydatos and think... "Man, wouldn't it be amazing if deep dungeon had the Logos/Lost Actions systems".

I definitely think there's a bit of the melodramatic here though.

I think 6.1 is about the same as every x.1 patch slightly worst than most. Adventurer plates are neat for all you weirdos that are obsessed with this sort of crap content and the glamour system. (Don't get my wrong glamour is the true end game but some of you get to obsessed) MSQ was pretty cool as usual pissed me off where it ended, dungeon sucked as usual. Haven't done 24 man, I have heard it is pretty fun, our 3rd or 4th pvp revamp is the best revamp so far, the housing lotto was doomed to be problems since it was announced (I had more faith in Diadem than the lotto), and pretty unusual for a patch like this, very bad job changes.

I don't think people are being melodramatic though. I think the line is being drawn for a lot of people as this game does have a lot of false promises and short comings. Not all of us can pretend to be blind of problems for ever like others, and some players are new and just haven't experiences our repetitive patch cycles. I hope they do better, but lets be honest this patch was way messier than most. So calling people melodramatic for expressing concerns, anger, or criticism over this patch is just childish.

[Kaurhz]

I think 6.1 is about the same as every 6.1 patch slightly worst than most. Adventurer plates are neat for all you weirdos that are obsessed with this sort of crap content and the glamour system. (Don't get my wrong glamour is the true end game but some of you get to obsessed) MSQ was pretty cool as usual pissed me off where it ended, dungeon sucked as usual. Haven't done 24 man, I have heard it is pretty fun, our 3rd or 4th pvp revamp is the best revamp so far, the housing lotto was doomed to be problems since it was announced (I had more faith in Diadem than the lotto), and pretty unusual for a patch like this, very bad job changes.

I don't think people are being melodramatic though. I think the line is being drawn for a lot of people as this game does have a lot of false promises and short comings. Not all of us can pretend to be blind of problems for ever like others, and some players are new and just haven't experiences our repetitive patch cycles. I hope they do better, but lets be honest this patch was way messier than most. So calling people melodramatic for expressing concerns, anger, or criticism over this patch is just childish.

It's an each to their own taste, at this point we're just arguing tastes which is a needless debate in and of itself.

Since you didn't really take the luxury of reading my other posts. I'll give you a summary. The criticisms and issues alone are not where the melodrama stems from, it is what people do with those criticisms and issues, ultimately. Once again, this comes from a community that is notorious for having the expectancy that all criticisms must be homogenous, some even going as far to say otherwise is white knighting. I'll go on but I don't really fancy repeating myself. It's had some messy implementations, yes, and this is as per my post largely as a result of them spreading themselves too thin. Refer to the second paragraph. Barring these few messy implementations, I've personally been having a blast. But I don't think they need me telling them it is messy when they've already had to make a public statement on the Lodestone about their housing issues.

I don't think you should be the one calling out people as being childish, given your opening statement, really.

[IdowhatIwant]

It's an each to their own taste, at this point we're just arguing tastes which is a needless debate in and of itself.

Since you didn't really take the luxury of reading my other posts. I'll give you a summary. The criticisms and issues alone are not where the melodrama stems from, it is what people do with those criticisms and issues, ultimately. Once again, this comes from a community that is notorious for having the expectancy that all criticisms must be homogenous, some even going as far to say otherwise is white knighting. I'll go on but I don't really fancy repeating myself. It's had some messy implementations, yes, and this is as per my post largely as a result of them spreading themselves too thin. Refer to the second paragraph. Barring these few messy implementations, I've personally been having a blast. But I don't think they need me telling them it is messy when they've already had to make a public statement on the Lodestone about their housing issues.

I don't think you should be the one calling out people as being childish, given your opening statement, really.

For saying adventurer plates are neat for weirdos that are obsessed with this crap? I don't know man, who even asked for this and where does this even fit into the game. It is interesting don't get me wrong but it feels like we are getting to an extent where this game is become less of an MMORPG game and more of a fashion show at times. And people praise it which makes them go more into this direction while other aspects of the game suffer. I wonder if they didn't spend time on adventurers plates, if they would have tested the lotto system 2 or 3 more times before releasing and getting themselves in this crappy situation altogether.

And I don't think it is true that all criticism must be homogenous, I have seen good criticism, I have seen bad criticism. Is what I personally get sick of on these forums is when some one gives criticism, and players want to give an excuse for the criticism, or tells others to just quit the game.

I mean look at the samurai community, they are all going as far as to say the class was nerfed. Sure it lost kaiten which is less fun to some, but the aDPS of samurai has not changed significantly enough to say this class was nerfed to the ground. Personally I think if Yoshi P had plans to remove kaiten it should have waited until the next expansion, or at least given detailed explanations as to what the goal is with these class changes this expansion as from this patch a lot of things felt like half ass decision making. Minuet turns to pitch perfect that is just stupid. So I think these changes warrant some criticism on poor changes to classes. Sure call this the best patch, but in my opinion this patch doesn't feel much different than any x.1 patch, and if anything it really outlines some issues that should be addressed in there development process.

Know what I want for glamour, I want a poop emote. So when DC traveling comes out I can come poop in your yard assuming you have a house, if not then I guess I won't do that.

[Kaurhz]

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Yes, you're in no state nor position to say what people should be invested in within this game. Equally, I could call some people freaks who are overly obsessed and clung to the idea of difficulty creeps, or whatever content you may be interested in - Just doesn't really make for constructive debate, not to mention it's fairly counterproductive.. I think the very fact that adventurer plates have been so well received by the general community pretty much renders your point moot. Doesn't matter if the community asked for it or not. It was well-received, you didn't like it, and as per your own words stop being a child and calling other peoples weirdos for getting a piece of content they enjoy and you haven't. Once again involving in needless 'what if'.

Thank you for agreeing with my point. Criticisms shouldn't be homogenous, no. My point is that people take it a step further and wallow away in insults at disagreements. This is generally speaking at this point, much as you have already done so by calling peoples weirdos for enjoying the content you don't.

Know what I want for glamour, I want a poop emote. So when DC traveling comes out I can come poop in your yard assuming you have a house, if not then I guess I won't do that.

Are you even reading what you write at this point? You see, this is a prime example of being childish. But by all means LOL.

Honestly, at this point, I'm starting to miss MPK.

[IdowhatIwant]

Yes, you're in no state nor position to say what people should be invested in within this game. Equally, I could call some people freaks who are overly obsessed and clung to the idea of difficulty creeps, or whatever content you may be interested in. I think the very fact that adventurer plates have been so well received by the general community pretty much renders your point moot. Doesn't matter if the community asked for it or not. It was well-received, you didn't like it, and as per your own words stop being a child and calling other peoples weirdos for getting a piece of content they enjoy and you haven't. Once again involving in needless 'what if'.

Thank you for agreeing with my point. Criticisms shouldn't be homogenous, no. My point is that people take it a step further and wallow away in insults at disagreements. This is generally speaking at this point, much as you have already done so by calling peoples weirdos for enjoying the content you don't.



Are you even reading what you write at this point? You see, this is a prime example of being childish. But by all means LOL.

Honestly, at this point, I'm starting to miss MPK.

Yup definitely want that poop emote. I am coming to poop in your yard, in 3 months in patch 6.18, if we get the poop emote I am requesting.

[Kaurhz]

Yup definitely want that poop emote. I am coming to poop in your yard, in 3 months in patch 6.18, if we get the poop emote I am requesting.

Don't worry, I'll have some repellent and sanitizers ready!

[Xavier_Firbold]

Yup definitely want that poop emote. I am coming to poop in your yard, in 3 months in patch 6.18, if we get the poop emote I am requesting.

Don't worry about Kaurhz, She works for SE and HAS to lick their boots to earn her measly salary. It's the same whenever she comes across even the slightest critiscism.

[Kaurhz]

Don't worry about Kaurhz, She works for SE and HAS to lick their boots to earn her measly salary. It's the same whenever she comes across even the slightest critiscism.

You should probably my other posts, but of course, you don't where I've openly stated in this very thread that their content is too thinly spread, or when I openly stated I didn't like (but understood) their direction for the oversimplification for crafting.

As I said, criticisms are not homogenous, I have different criticisms from other people. Similarly, they have different criticisms from me. But thank you for proving my point for the second time today, it really makes that measly salary worth it!