Broken Lottery, Please Rollback

[Juyira]

I wonder if the emergency maintenance from before messed with anyone who placed their bids early. Me and my FC co-leader placed ours two days ago and we got our large against 3 others who also placed theirs last minute. I see a lot of people getting their houses, but also a lot with 0 winning numbers.

I don't think a rollback is good in any case, a lot of people still won fairly. They should find a way to fairly reroll amongst the people who already bid on a plot that had a 0 win.

[Sergster1]

a lot of people still won fairly

There's no way to prove this. For all I know somehow you did something I did not do which gave you an advantage. For all I know the underlying code explicitly prevented me from winning and gave the win to you.

You realize in 100% of lottos with flawed drawings that it results in a complete redraw right?

[HyoMinPark]

There's no way to prove this. For all I know somehow you did something I did not do which gave you an advantage. For all I know the underlying code explicitly prevented me from winning and gave the win to you.

You realize in 100% of lottos with flawed drawings that it results in a complete redraw right?

There’s no way for you to prove that people did something that you didn’t do that gave them an advantage, though. This argument goes both ways.

If precedent means anything, they aren’t going to do rollbacks. When Shirogane launched in 4.1 and half of the people trying to get a house couldn’t get into the game because the launcher broke for them or the lobby server crashed, they didn’t rollback the wards to have empty plots again. They just added more wards in 4.2.

[Qeilos]

There's no way to prove this. For all I know somehow you did something I did not do which gave you an advantage. For all I know the underlying code explicitly prevented me from winning and gave the win to you.

You realize in 100% of lottos with flawed drawings that it results in a complete redraw right?

The weird issue is the moved houses and how easy it is for them to snap them back without doing wholesale server rollbacks, which im pretty sure is unprecedented in this. Especially considering its currently like 1am over there and they probably wont even realize this stuffs on fire for another 8 hours. At which point rollbacks risk Savage and EX clears and all manner of other things.

[BellBixbite]

There's no way to prove this. For all I know somehow you did something I did not do which gave you an advantage. For all I know the underlying code explicitly prevented me from winning and gave the win to you.

You realize in 100% of lottos with flawed drawings that it results in a complete redraw right?

You also can't prove they didn't win fairly either. Without seeing the reasons behind the bug you can't make a case either way. However saying "something you did not do which gave you an advantage" is completely made up. We all placed a bid. /emote praying at a placard or doing a dance or even checking the plot multiple times has nothing to do with anything. Last point is that no most lottos with this big of an issue are not 100% redrawn. I don't know where you got that statistic from but in most cases its far easier to keep the results and fix the bug to give the ones affected another chance with the same odds they originally had, basically reroll the bugged estates with original bidders. If you logic stands then the odds were slightly off say you did 3 bids out of 4 for a house but really there was 5 bids because of 0. Same odds for everyone there just an unknown bidder. Without knowing the actual bug reason though who knows. This is all speculation here

[Markfresh]

You also can't prove they didn't win fairly either. Without seeing the reasons behind the bug you can't make a case either way. However saying "something you did not do which gave you an advantage" is completely made up. We all placed a bid. /emote praying at a placard or doing a dance or even checking the plot multiple times has nothing to do with anything. Last point is that no most lottos with this big of an issue are not 100% redrawn. I don't know where you got that statistic from but in most cases its far easier to keep the results and fix the bug to give the ones affected another chance with the same odds they originally had, basically reroll the bugged estates with original bidders. If you logic stands then the odds were slightly off say you did 3 bids out of 4 for a house but really there was 5 bids because of 0. Same odds for everyone there just an unknown bidder. Without knowing the actual bug reason though who knows. This is all speculation here

I agree, what people are missing is that no one won, if you add in the "0" as a bidder and say well 5 won but really it should of been 6, well thats pointless, no one won, "0" won it was never rolled on, "0" won by default.

[ForteNightshade]

There's no way to prove this. For all I know somehow you did something I did not do which gave you an advantage. For all I know the underlying code explicitly prevented me from winning and gave the win to you.

You realize in 100% of lottos with flawed drawings that it results in a complete redraw right?

This would necessitate them rolling back the entire housing ward, which means taking down the servers, issuing mass refunds and essentially starting the whole process over again. There is precisely zero chance they even consider this not only due to the massive complications involved but the sheer degree of backlash would be on a whole separate magnitude. Instead of angering several people, they'd enrage literally every single person who won their plot only for it to be taken and now they may not win it again through no fault of their own. At best, they'll re-roll the 0 "winner" plots but everyone who won, will keep their new plots.

[Qeilos]

This would necessitate them rolling back the entire housing ward, which means taking down the servers, issuing mass refunds and essentially starting the whole process over again. There is precisely zero chance they even consider this not only due to the massive complications involved but the sheer degree of backlash would be on a whole separate magnitude. Instead of angering several people, they'd enrage literally every single person who won their plot only for it to be taken and now they may not win it again through no fault of their own. At best, they'll re-roll the 0 "winner" plots but everyone who won, will keep their new plots.

You still have the issue of people who lost to people who didnt get bugged, wondering if the integrity of the whole thing was jeopardized. Its still going to be an absolute dumpsterfire that they will probably never live down. This might be their worst debacle, this isnt like a lol the instance is full so we have the playerbase blocked on a quest, that eventually clears up. Housing is not a situation that has proven to "just get better" lol.

[ForteNightshade]

Not only that, but every single person who didn't enter would lose all their progress they did either today, or to whatever point they originally chose. So tomes, items, gil, sales, everything. That'd be a statistical nightmare

I suspect they could limit a rollback to the wards itself not the entire game. Granted, with the degree of ineptitude currently on display. Who really knows?

You still have the issue of people who lost to people who didnt get bugged, wondering if the integrity of the whole thing was jeopardized. Its still going to be an absolute dumpsterfire that they will probably never live down. This might be their worst debacle, this isnt like a lol the instance is full so we have the playerbase blocked on a quest, that eventually clears up. Housing is not a situation that has proven to "just get better" lol.

Oh, I don't disagree. Either they intentionally designed the system this way without telling anyone. Which looks incredibly sneaky. Or they made such an egregious mistake people deserve to lose their jobs over it from sheer incompetence. No matter what happens now, they won't soon live down how horrendously handled this whole system was. Nevertheless, they'll opt for damage control. It's their only real recourse. Which likely means people who won their plots will keep them, regardless of the debatable integrity. And those where the house won will either have to try again with a patched system or maybe they simply redo those rolls. I sincerely hope for the latter in such a scenario otherwise you'll see a sudden dogpile now that people who lost their designed plot scramble to find another one.