What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

[Theodric]

"Socially awkward" isn't the same as giving his used fleshlight of his dead girlfriend to the WoL, which is what the "joke" originally implied. That joke also isn't mature or gritty.

I barely knew who Urianger was in ARR and that joke was still a turn off.

The joke didn't explicitly imply anything - it was suggestive, though entirely left to the player's imagination. As such, it could be as innocent or as dirty as one willed for it to be.

I disagree that it wasn't mature or gritty, on the basis that the English version of the game's localisation is meant to serve a broad range of players from many different countries, cultures and backgrounds. A broad variety of jokes would be ideal, instead of the stale and very prudish approach taken as of late.

I'm pretty sure the age rating at the time of purchase also included a disclaimer accounting for such humour. Though as Kizuya kindly pointed out, this seems to be little more than a repeat of what befell Blizzard in its quest to try and partake of excessive censorship and virtue signalling.

I have a feeling that Garlemald was quickly written out of the story for similar reasons. It's not like this game's community is lacking for a sizeable portion of nutters who actively harassed anyone who liked the 'wrong' characters, after all.

[CrownySuccubus]

The joke didn't explicitly imply anything - it was suggestive, though entirely left to the player's imagination. As such, it could be as innocent or as dirty as one willed for it to be.

There's no perceptive, intelligent adult on Earth who could ever miss the sexual implications of that description. Not unless they're being willfully obtuse.
Though as Kizuya kindly pointed out, this seems to be little more than a repeat of what befell Blizzard in its quest to try and partake of excessive censorship and virtue signalling.

"Censorship" and "virtue signalling" don't really apply here. As others have stated, it is literally distracting to the story to imply that Urianger created a fleshlight version of his ex and passed it to the WOL.

Also, considering how often the words "Genocide" and "Gaslighting" are used to describe Venat's actions in Endwalker, accusations of "virtue signalling" are pretty dishonest.

[Theodric]

Also, considering how often the words "Genocide" and "Gaslighting" are used to describe Venat's actions in Endwalker, accusations of "virtue signalling" are pretty dishonest.

Using the correct definition to describe the elimination of a species and culture from existence and memory is hardly 'dishonest', nor is it virtue signalling.

It's unfortunate if people not treating 'mommy goddess' like the best, most kindest person unsettles you but we don't need yet another thread turning into a discussion about Venat.

[CrownySuccubus]

Using the correct definition to describe the elimination of a species and culture from existence and memory is hardly 'dishonest', nor is it virtue signalling.

I don't buy that, considering that you were once offended that I used the term "dictatorship" to refer to the Garleans. You are clearly aware that words are more than rote definitions and have positive or negative implications. The word "genocide" is specifically being used because of the negative association with the term, otherwise we could use the word "changed" and it'd be just as accurate.

[Theodric]

I don't buy that, considering that you were once offended that I used the term "dictatorship" to refer to the Garleans. You are clearly aware that words are more than rote definitions and have positive or negative implications. The word "genocide" is specifically being used because of the negative association with the term, otherwise we could use the word "changed" and it'd be just as accurate.

You must be mistaking me for another poster in all your eagerness to go off on another CRT induced ideological rant, then. I've certainly never been 'offended' by any of your posts and have simply pointed out the nuance in the Garlean story where many seek to push it as a straight up simple black and white affair as they are prone to do with a great many things these days.

[CrownySuccubus]

You must be mistaking me for another poster in all your eagerness to go off on another CRT induced ideological rant, then. I've certainly never been 'offended' by any of your posts and have simply pointed out the nuance in the Garlean story where many seek to push it as a straight up simple black and white affair as they are prone to do with a great many things these days.

Nope. It was you.

I also don't really consider the mere existence of a monarchy to be a 'dictatorship' or worthy of scorn. They're a key part of my own country, culture and ancestry and a large part of why I enjoy fantasy settings.

Also, not sure what CRT has to do with this, but please use all the buzzwords, I guess.

[Theodric]

Nope. It was you.

There's no link between what you're saying and what I said in the post in question. I was hardly taking offense, I simply identified something present in my own history and culture that I would enjoy seeing more of in a genre ordinarily more eager to make use of such tropes.

I'll leave it up to others to go and read the full context behind the exchange if they are inclined to do so. Whatever beef you have with me doesn't need to involve dragging multiple threads off topic, in my view.

Since we aren't talking about a real life event, nor something that can be replicated in real life, words like "murder" and "genocide" are invented by the players in order to create a moral rejection of an aspect of the story. The story itself never uses those words. The moral judgment (whether or not it's correct) is one completely fabricated by people of the audience.

If someone deliberately wipes out an entire race and culture, including from memory...then it is an act of genocide. The game doesn't need to explicitly use the term for it to be as such.