What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

[Atelier-Bagur]

WOW lore isnt a thing, not really its just constantly shoving whatever hackneyed "cool" thing they came up with on top of the old thing they just retconned for the 1000th time. The world isnt fleshed out because it can never have any actual basis as they quite literally can't go a patch without changing fundamental aspects of what is supposed to be the setting.

Reminder they made three lore books as the definitive lore guide (there own words) and had retconned it multiple times before the second book even came out.

That is indeed true, WoW isnt such a great example with world lore, but I suppose in this case Im arguing over quantity over the little bit of quality we have with the already established world lore. I still feel like we dont truly know much of this world. They're just set pieces with some bit of settlements here and there between every zone.

[Theodric]

I don't buy that, considering that you were once offended that I used the term "dictatorship" to refer to the Garleans. You are clearly aware that words are more than rote definitions and have positive or negative implications. The word "genocide" is specifically being used because of the negative association with the term, otherwise we could use the word "changed" and it'd be just as accurate.

You must be mistaking me for another poster in all your eagerness to go off on another CRT induced ideological rant, then. I've certainly never been 'offended' by any of your posts and have simply pointed out the nuance in the Garlean story where many seek to push it as a straight up simple black and white affair as they are prone to do with a great many things these days.

[KizuyaKatogami]

WOW lore isnt a thing, not really its just constantly shoving whatever hackneyed "cool" thing they came up with on top of the old thing they just retconned for the 1000th time. The world isnt fleshed out because it can never have any actual basis as they quite literally can't go a patch without changing fundamental aspects of what is supposed to be the setting.

Reminder they made three lore books as the definitive lore guide (there own words) and had retconned it multiple times before the second book even came out.

They’ve done the same thing in 14 though. Consistently retconning lore pieces that are even in the lore books. Either way, people are completely derailing this thread. It’s about garlemald, and the horrible way they’ve handled the place and it’s people as a whole.

[Corvus_V]

I disagree with a lot of the people in this thread. I thought the idea of people who were oppressed because they can't use magic (something apparently everyone else basically takes for granted) becoming oppressors through technology interesting. I'd have personally felt like an expansion centered around an uprising from the heart of the empire via the Populares; in opposition to those brainwashed by propaganda, etc; to be fine. But there is no empire anymore. I never cared for Zenos. I genuinely, to this day, do not care about his "please fight me I am bored" attitude. I'd prefer if that was kept exclusively to trials and small arenas like that, like Susanoo; just like I wouldn't prefer to call a very wide puddle an ocean despite the long period of time it would arbitrarily take to walk across it. It'd make a bigger splash if it was contained in a smaller area as far as I'm concerned, which is all I'll say at risk of pissing off people who really like him. It's just not my kind of story. I like to see the humanity in people, like Gaius. Even for all his cruelty, Varis was more interesting because to an extent he cared about man and wanted them to be powerful. He was scared.

All in all, the story is fine for "what it is," it just has really huge branches they cut off that had like... nihilism in lieu of significant political potential.

Jullus was an interesting character to me as well. It's still my favorite area, I'd prefer if that wasn't the end of their story, but it seems it will be. What can you do? In general it doesn't seem like they care an awful lot about what anyone thinks about virtually anything anymore. Maybe they thought this kind of story was financially safer, or something? I didn't really feel like killing it all off was necessary, but I guess its not my company.

[MoofiaBossVal]

It is rather conspicuous that the inner provinces are completely ignored entirely, almost as if the writers didn't want to confront the idea that some people might not want to be "liberated" and actually like the benefits of being apart of the empire. We knew as such since ARR when Rhitahtyn talked about how his homeland was an awful dump until the empire annexed it and improved it.

It is also rather conspicuous that no one comes after the WoL's head. The WoL must be the most visible antagonist to the citizens of Garlemald, a figure who has slain hundreds of imperial soldiers, defeated legatus, destroyed legions, torn several provinces away from the empire, and is the champion of the two alliances that stand against the empire. In an empire with tens of millions of citizens, there should be at least a few dozen people who would come after the WoL, trying to avenge their family or friends who were slain by the WoL, or trying to avenge the humiliation of the empire, or simply trying to claim glory by striking down the empire's greatest enemy. The Ishgardians had a grudge against the dragons in the HW patches and Yanxians had a grudge against Yotsuyu in the Stormblood patches, but no Garleans have a grudge against the WoL?

[Slatersev]

I'm actually confused at the idea of getting offended at calling Garlemald a Dicatorship. Thats what it is by definition. It's like getting made if you called Ishgard pre HW a theocracy. Thats literally what it was by definition.

Wait, wait wait, Solus' backstory has him literally be named dictator of Garlemald right before he officially made it an empire but somebody got mad at calling it that? Lmao

[CrownySuccubus]

You must be mistaking me for another poster in all your eagerness to go off on another CRT induced ideological rant, then. I've certainly never been 'offended' by any of your posts and have simply pointed out the nuance in the Garlean story where many seek to push it as a straight up simple black and white affair as they are prone to do with a great many things these days.

Nope. It was you.

I also don't really consider the mere existence of a monarchy to be a 'dictatorship' or worthy of scorn. They're a key part of my own country, culture and ancestry and a large part of why I enjoy fantasy settings.

Also, not sure what CRT has to do with this, but please use all the buzzwords, I guess.

[Lauront]

Which is my point. The term is being insisted on specifically because it involves a negative utility. A negative utility which is meant to direct others to make a moral judgment towards a character that was not intended within the writing itself.

Aka "virtue signalling".

Only if you're trying to use it as an explicit attempt to display good character, while not holding to the principle yourself. If you think "virtue signalling" means any and all words imbued with a moral judgement in them, such as murder etc., that is simply a misuse of the term.

[aveyond-dreams]

All I know is that we can expect little to nothing of anything concerning Garlemald in the future. Why is the writing so quick to do away with these important plot elements by way of Bozja notes or long-winded quests that amount to nothing, while desperately trying to pander to the twitter crowd whose only concerns are keeping their plushie characters around?

"Tying up loose ends for season 2" is no longer a valid excuse given that season 2 appears to be too intertwined with the WoL's history during season 1, so they clearly could have afforded to expand upon elements like Garlemald further.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It is rather conspicuous that the inner provinces are completely ignored entirely, almost as if the writers didn't want to confront the idea that some people might not want to be "liberated" and actually like the benefits of being apart of the empire. We knew as such since ARR when Rhitahtyn talked about how his homeland was an awful dump until the empire annexed it and improved it.

It is also rather conspicuous that no one comes after the WoL's head. The WoL must be the most visible antagonist to the citizens of Garlemald, a figure who has slain hundreds of imperial soldiers, defeated legatus, destroyed legions, torn several provinces away from the empire, and is the champion of the two alliances that stand against the empire. In an empire with tens of millions of citizens, there should be at least a few dozen people who would come after the WoL, trying to avenge their family or friends who were slain by the WoL, or trying to avenge the humiliation of the empire, or simply trying to claim glory by striking down the empire's greatest enemy. The Ishgardians had a grudge against the dragons in the HW patches and Yanxians had a grudge against Yotsuyu in the Stormblood patches, but no Garleans have a grudge against the WoL?

uh...did you just ignored how almost every npc in Garlemald hated your guts BECAUSE you were the WoL? They just couldnt do anything about it because
1. They were just civilians and
2. The Empire were constantly busy with their own inner conflicts to dedicate a full force to go after the WoL alone. We were also constantly moving about in areas the imperials couldnt necessarily just waltz by.