What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

[Theodric]

Oh yeah, like clearly we needed that tasteless creeper Urianger over his dead girlfriend with that original Moenbryda minion description. Mhmm they totally didnt need the remove that. Even though it was very out of place and contradicts his character all for the sake of haha dirty joke.

It's not really out of place. He was always socially awkward and the ARR/HW era had a grittier and more mature atmosphere in general.

It seems to be players who came to the game later on in the game's lifespan who are most eager to change it to their liking at the expense of those of us who were perfectly fine with the way in which ARR was written.

[tokinokanatae]

It's not really out of place. He was always socially awkward and the ARR/HW era had a grittier and more mature atmosphere in general.

"Socially awkward" isn't the same as giving his used fleshlight of his dead girlfriend to the WoL, which is what the "joke" originally implied. That joke also isn't mature or gritty.

I barely knew who Urianger was in ARR and that joke was still a turn off.

[KizuyaKatogami]

While this is a pretty big tangent to the overall topic of the thread, i’ll just say whether or not the joke is funny, it is funny to see people constantly bashing wow for censoring random things etc etc but now 14 does it and it’s deemed as fine lol. Either way it’s pretty irrelevant to the thread though.

I just think this expansion had it out for the garleans and ancients. There’s a lot that just doesn’t make sense, contradicts its own lore to try to prove the ancients as wrong. Destroys built up garlemald plot points etc. Yet somehow people call this one of the best patches of all time? I understand some things are subjective but i don’t see how constantly butchering plot threads is “good writing.”

[Theodric]

"Socially awkward" isn't the same as giving his used fleshlight of his dead girlfriend to the WoL, which is what the "joke" originally implied. That joke also isn't mature or gritty.

I barely knew who Urianger was in ARR and that joke was still a turn off.

The joke didn't explicitly imply anything - it was suggestive, though entirely left to the player's imagination. As such, it could be as innocent or as dirty as one willed for it to be.

I disagree that it wasn't mature or gritty, on the basis that the English version of the game's localisation is meant to serve a broad range of players from many different countries, cultures and backgrounds. A broad variety of jokes would be ideal, instead of the stale and very prudish approach taken as of late.

I'm pretty sure the age rating at the time of purchase also included a disclaimer accounting for such humour. Though as Kizuya kindly pointed out, this seems to be little more than a repeat of what befell Blizzard in its quest to try and partake of excessive censorship and virtue signalling.

I have a feeling that Garlemald was quickly written out of the story for similar reasons. It's not like this game's community is lacking for a sizeable portion of nutters who actively harassed anyone who liked the 'wrong' characters, after all.

[CrownySuccubus]

The joke didn't explicitly imply anything - it was suggestive, though entirely left to the player's imagination. As such, it could be as innocent or as dirty as one willed for it to be.

There's no perceptive, intelligent adult on Earth who could ever miss the sexual implications of that description. Not unless they're being willfully obtuse.
Though as Kizuya kindly pointed out, this seems to be little more than a repeat of what befell Blizzard in its quest to try and partake of excessive censorship and virtue signalling.

"Censorship" and "virtue signalling" don't really apply here. As others have stated, it is literally distracting to the story to imply that Urianger created a fleshlight version of his ex and passed it to the WOL.

Also, considering how often the words "Genocide" and "Gaslighting" are used to describe Venat's actions in Endwalker, accusations of "virtue signalling" are pretty dishonest.

[Theodric]

Also, considering how often the words "Genocide" and "Gaslighting" are used to describe Venat's actions in Endwalker, accusations of "virtue signalling" are pretty dishonest.

Using the correct definition to describe the elimination of a species and culture from existence and memory is hardly 'dishonest', nor is it virtue signalling.

It's unfortunate if people not treating 'mommy goddess' like the best, most kindest person unsettles you but we don't need yet another thread turning into a discussion about Venat.

[CrownySuccubus]

Using the correct definition to describe the elimination of a species and culture from existence and memory is hardly 'dishonest', nor is it virtue signalling.

I don't buy that, considering that you were once offended that I used the term "dictatorship" to refer to the Garleans. You are clearly aware that words are more than rote definitions and have positive or negative implications. The word "genocide" is specifically being used because of the negative association with the term, otherwise we could use the word "changed" and it'd be just as accurate.

[Theodric]

I don't buy that, considering that you were once offended that I used the term "dictatorship" to refer to the Garleans. You are clearly aware that words are more than rote definitions and have positive or negative implications. The word "genocide" is specifically being used because of the negative association with the term, otherwise we could use the word "changed" and it'd be just as accurate.

You must be mistaking me for another poster in all your eagerness to go off on another CRT induced ideological rant, then. I've certainly never been 'offended' by any of your posts and have simply pointed out the nuance in the Garlean story where many seek to push it as a straight up simple black and white affair as they are prone to do with a great many things these days.