New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Denji]

The moderator has received the feedback they asked for.

The feedback most of us gave isn't about haircuts at all.



Well, what's weird is what was I heard you say was:



Now, I didn't hear of anyone working on either Viera or Hrothgar before the Zepla video came out so I assumed you hoped we forgot.

I also heard "quality" with respect to why we couldn't have headgear. But then "you have to imagine the ears inside the hair?"

I heard that clipping was a problem with official implementation. But then I looked at the back of the Gunbreaker trainer, and looked at how badly his hair clips in his class armor. And of course I assumed when you say "clipping is bad" you're referring to "all clipping" and not just "the kind of clipping that would result in you having to do some work."

But, it got worse. Because I remember this from 5.55:



So, it's OK to devote resources to fix clipping on not just any hairstyle's clipping, but some pieces of gear clipping on one race with LITERAL BEDHEAD, but not even the one-of-two-possible hairstyles on your NPC? Were you afraid we might "hope too much and hurt ourselves?"

So you were "torn" about having to "maybe make hairstyles more slowly?"

1) Slower than 1 every six months?
2) Until such time I have 0 options that don't involve me paying you $10 to decapitate me?
3) When you say "I need feedback," does a reasonable person just "Release with no QA so that things like the haircuts not sticking to the heads" get out? Or do they get input first?

If they can't say that those hairstyles weren't up to par in terms of:

1) Quality
2) Consistency
3) Lore
4) Human Empathy

...what feedback do you still need? What can I tell Zhexos that will make him understand that was a crappy thing to do to one patient group of people?

When I see something like:



I wonder - should read this as a promise or a threat?

Did Yoshi think those hairstyles looked OK?

The haircuts have no ears, have nothing to do with Hrothgar lore, and DO NOT STICK TO MY HEAD.

Sure, dedicate a resource to the Hrothgar. Trot him out on PLL days, or have him there to ask questions of. Call him Hrothgar Steve, and dress him up in a little tan zookeeper outfit.

Or just make the other legacy hairs available to all the faces? I'll shut up. Promise. And I keep mine.

But if that's not clear enough feedback for Zhexos or anyone else: Your excuses are clipping.

Time to quote!

[Rathmir]

I suppose the ears being attached to the head would explain why they're 100% static, at least Viera ears boing a bit when they jump or when there's strong wind. In a perfect world, they'd both be like Miqo'te and at least move with certain emotes

It's possible to apply the reaction to wind only with parts of a mesh, and maybe how much. But here, it's personally okay to let them act all stiff around that. Too much wobbly body parts would just confuse me.


Taking your signature:

Modders care more about Viera, Hrothgar, Highlander and Roegadyn than the devs do, and probably ever will - it seems if your race is taller than 5'4 you simply don't matter.

Why even care for anything else than Au'Ra and Miqo girls, which make alone almost 33% of the endgame population? Everything else would be a waste of investment.

[Kelev]

Thank you, Hrothgar Steve. I need to buy you a glam for this. Tan shorts and shirt as you drag some Hrothgar out by his scruff…

*Australian Accent* “Now, this little guy is a Helion. Now you can see that he’s picked up something called a ‘Tamamo Headband,’ which is very common for these guys when they get their ears ripped off in a fight or clipping accident.”

Hrothgar: *just stares back with resting Hrothgar face*

“So you can see, they put on fake ears not unlike a Hermit crab getting a shell of another creature, while their own grow back. We tell them they have ears under the hair that will one day but and sprout, but because the mane is so poorly attached, you can see where the base of the ears should be, and, well, they’re not coming back. “

Hrothgar: *looks up with his now more-expressive eyebrows to show his sadness but clings onto his fake ears nonetheless*

“Now you’ll have to be careful if you ever pet any one of these things. They’re friendly, but their hairstyles are full of bugs, and if you’re not careful, you can cut yourself really nasty on on one of their clips. Don’t worry too much about the bugs though. If you’re not a Hrothgar yourself, they’ll get fixed. You can see here where irresponsible poachers have ended up “adding a cosmetic facial feature” that’s actually a lobotomy scar. We’re not sure whether that’s an attempt to remove the part of the pre-frontal cortex that remembers patch notes and Live Letters, or if one of the hard edges on the haircut stabbed it while it was lying down, but…”

[Kelev]

As I understand it, the 4 Hrothgar heads are all somewhat different and all of their ears are shaped and placed a little different on each head, this in itself is the biggest problem regarding the addition of new hairstyle. This makes it so if you want to add 1 hairstyle available to all the 4 heads, you need 4 different version of that hairstyle, this will for sure take a lot more time

Or you can just move the ear bases on the front face “masks” to the same position, then pick one of your four faces, standardize on it thereby helping you future-proof further designs on an actual standard rather than one-offing things. Will you change the shapes of the faces slightly? A little. But we’re talking about different faces and races of cat here, not a bunch of shark people where one’s a hammerhead and another’s a great white or something.

In terms of “quick wins” that would also give you later on the chance to add ear type to the list of customizable attributes later, because they’d all be in the same place.

Also, here’s some more feedback for hairstyles: if you don’t like how something looks, you can “cover it up with enormous poofy hairstyles” or take the opposite route:

Go low.

Just go low around the ears. A crew cut. A mohawk. Just a tattoo on my base fur like Armor King from Tekken. Look at this which is just a Hrothgar skull with a Roegadyn haircut overlaid:



Clean. Sharp. Don’t have to monkey with anything.

You mean to tell me you guys worked out all this Greco Roman armor didn’t *ONE* of you come up with a George Clooney Caesar do?

Really?

If you want to spend less time on males hairstyles, as a male IRL, I can tell you how I do it: I keep my hair short and the areas around the ears trimmed, because I like looking clean cut, masculine, and not spending a ton of time in the bathroom getting all Cloud Strifed up with egg whites and pipe cleaners and crap.

Y’all so tuned up about “IT’S GOTTA NOT CLIP NOOOOO THE CLIPPING” that you forget, if the clipping’s so low no one cares… …no one cares. I think it’s weird “tattoo” items don’t actually stick to my skin, but the tolerances are so tiny, anyone who complained would be saying way more about them than about you.

[aveyond-dreams]

I'm less concerned with clipping in that image than I am with the fact that the model's eyes are blood red.

[Denji]

I'm less concerned with clipping in that image than I am with the fact that the model's eyes are blood red.

Tried to hold in a sneeze and popped a blood vessel.

[Kelev]

I'm less concerned with clipping in that image than I am with the fact that the model's eyes are blood red.

I’m colorblind, I’m afraid.

[HollowedDoll]

I suppose the ears being attached to the head would explain why they're 100% static, at least Viera ears boing a bit when they jump or when there's strong wind. In a perfect world, they'd both be like Miqo'te and at least move with certain emotes

Where the ears are is not a concern at all, Hrothgar just have zero bones for their ears, also kinda disagree on the anime-like miqo ear for viera, it's fine as it is.

[Allegor]

I'm less concerned with clipping in that image than I am with the fact that the model's eyes are blood red.

As anime as it may normally be, Hrothgar (and Au Ra males, to be fair) are probably the only ones who could pull off the red eyes with black sclera look. I kinda want it to be an option now lol

I prefer the stiffness of the Viera’s ears.
It’s how they were in XII and I wouldn’t have them any other way. The image of their ears moving feels very wrong.

Where the ears are is not a concern at all, Hrothgar just have zero bones for their ears, also kinda disagree on the anime-like miqo ear for viera, it's fine as it is.

I don't mean them to be all wobbly like the fox headband, I know how distracting that can be, but it would've been cute seeing them, perk up with the /shocked emote or something, you know, like real rabbits do, or Hrothgar bending theirs backwards when angry, idk.

[Denji]

Where the ears are is not a concern at all, Hrothgar just have zero bones for their ears.

can i get uhhhhhhh h h h h h h

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