Let's Talk About SAMURAI

[Qeilos]

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

They could do a bit to make that stuff readable. Clicking on someone to look for specific buffs like that isnt great when you are trying to watch your own health cc certain people burst others, LB buffs should have some kind of associated massive glow. You certainly know when I drop Baha or Birb I dont see why this shouldnt be universal. I cant really think of many games where stuff like that isnt made graphically apparent without having to target them (think Kayle Taric Zilean ults etc if you know LoL).

Edit: Can someone clarify something for me since I actually dont know how this works

"Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi"

Does that mean if i put Slipstream down on the ground, he can pop Chiten and just intentionally walk into it to get the debuff slapped on me?

[Sinstrel]

They could do a bit to make that stuff readable. Clicking on someone to look for specific buffs like that isnt great when you are trying to watch your own health cc certain people burst others, LB buffs should have some kind of associated massive glow. You certainly know when I drop Baha or Birb I dont see why this shouldnt be universal. I cant really think of many games where stuff like that isnt made graphically apparent without having to target them (think Kayle Taric Zilean ults etc if you know LoL).

Edit: Can someone clarify something for me since I actually dont know how this works

"Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi"

Does that mean if i put Slipstream down on the ground, he can pop Chiten and just intentionally walk into it to get the debuff slapped on me?

Yes to your question.

As for it being apparent, there are a few easy ways to see what is going on. Starting with your HUD set up, you can enlarge the enemy team pannel. It shows what buffs each player has, as well as when their limit break is ready. At a quick glance, you can see "Oh, the samurai has LB ready. I should be careful about attacking them until he's used it. Or if I start attacking them, I should get ready to use my crowd control just in case." Not to plug myself or anything, but a good HUD set-up is essential to improving in PvP and I have made a guide on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw26G3oqLjg for any interested.

Coming from PvE to PvP is difficult because the information which is important is so different. For example, perhaps in PvE you would rarely make use of the /focus function. But in PvP you could use /focus on an enemy to see where they are at all times, see what buffs they have, and what they are casting. Very useful information is it not? But maybe not very useful in PvE.

[Qeilos]

Yes to your question.

As for it being apparent, there are a few easy ways to see what is going on. Starting with your HUD set up, you can enlarge the enemy team pannel. It shows what buffs each player has, as well as when their limit break is ready. At a quick glance, you can see "Oh, the samurai has LB ready. I should be careful about attacking them until he's used it. Or if I start attacking them, I should get ready to use my crowd control just in case." Not to plug myself or anything, but a good HUD set-up is essential to improving in PvP and I have made a guide on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw26G3oqLjg for any interested.

Coming from PvE to PvP is difficult because the information which is important is so different. For example, perhaps in PvE you would rarely make use of the /focus function. But in PvP you could use /focus on an enemy to see where they are at all times, see what buffs they have, and what they are casting. Very useful information is it not? But maybe not very useful in PvE.

That seems unfun tbh, regarding it procing, my entire kit is aoe aside from ruin. Just by existing i stand to fail the "just dont hit him 4head"

[Naizakane]

That seems unfun tbh, regarding it procing, my entire kit is aoe aside from ruin. Just by existing i stand to fail the "just dont hit him 4head"

I think you have a way of avoiding the setup. Your spells have a longer range than Zantetsuken, so if you stay in the backline it'll be harder for the Samurai to target you with it (both because of the range advantage and the fact that you're back there as 1 potential kill vs the funny multikill opportunity the brawl provides) and you can control who you deal damage to for 5 seconds. Also, the damage of Zantetsuken on someone with Kuzushi is 100% of their maximum HP, which means if you find yourself at risk of getting hit by the setup Radiant Aegis might help you out. Mountain Buster's Heavy could come in useful for slowing the Samurai down, making it easier to break line of sight.

[Kiao-Ken]

It's so easy to say (write in this case) "just stay out of reach" when it's a near impossible to do so considering how small the map is, let alone, so many corners. So much animation stuff popping off from both friendlies and enemies; one could turn it down, but you're greater risk by not seeing other animations that was turned off or set to "medium".

[Naizakane]

It's so easy to say (write in this case) "just stay out of reach" when it's a near impossible to do so considering how small the map is, let alone, so many corners. So much animation stuff popping off from both friendlies and enemies; one could turn it down, but you're greater risk by not seeing other animations that was turned off or set to "medium".

skill issue, i thought you studied SAM

[Kiao-Ken]

Yes, skill issue. SAM is now perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Sarcasm aside; damn bro, this is a lot of words spent on being mad about zantetsuken. have you tried waiting for chiten to fall off before attacking the samurai?-Naizakane

I mean, it seems that you feel that you're being personally attacked, thus, responding in such manner such as skill issue, i thought you studied SAM. Look, "your" class, SAM, is brokenly overpowered, it has insane kit that makes it far superior to the other melee classes to include Reaper. Reaper right now is extremely strong; is it overpowered like Samurai? No. You have yet to state as to the reason why SAM needs (Insert whatever kit I called out) and why it should have it. Even if you were to respond intelligently (not just writing whatever you want because I called you a carried player (due to Samurai) indirectly and or simply declaring that "your" class should get nerfed), who's to say why the other melee DPSers can't have it either.

[KouYanagi]

That seems unfun tbh, regarding it procing, my entire kit is aoe aside from ruin. Just by existing i stand to fail the "just dont hit him 4head"

'Don't hit him 4head' also includes don't be inside of a group that is hitting him when he has chiten + ult up. You can also consider using your binds as another weakness of Zantetsuken is that its a movement ability.

[Kiao-Ken]

I would assume so.

[Droxybrobotnik]

Of course the japanese developers would make samurai overpowered... I wonder if they actually know that the real samurai were mainly mounted archers? I had a duel with a sam yesterday at an ast, we kept going for 15 mins until he just let me try to kill him before he could self heal himself, so toss in a lot of self heal with the list... The PvP mode is new, so balance is yet to be hammered out, but here is an area where I feel they would heavily have benefitted from public testing before rolling it out. Square has a long and storied history with admittedly earned pride, but sometimes they just don't know best and need to admit it.