Let's Talk About SAMURAI

[Kiao-Ken]

The guy gave legitimate advice, if you see a SAM with LB, don't hit into them for the 5 seconds they have Chiten up, and wail into them freely for the other 25sec. They also get LB a lot slower than other jobs because of how strong it is, so you only have to worry about it once or twice a match. The move is a noob trap as I have seem a lot of people die from it, but as soon as you know about it, it's not hard to counter.

I can understand what you mean by "a noob trap", I understand the mechanic behind the SAM's limit break with Kuzushi. In fact, I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it. In fact, DRG's Limit Break is another ability I look for and counter it with Guard, which means I "get got" by a MCH' Limit Break. But, whenever someone else hits that "noob trap" and they get LM'ed, you, who happen to be near that "noob" will still get instant K.O. with them and those around that "noob". Also, 5 seconds is a shit ton of time (the word "shit" was used in a manner of passion, not insult), 5 seconds of SAM being ignored because "noob trap" means uninterrupted damage. Maybe, just maybe, all classes should get this "noob trap" (no, we shouldn't).

[Sinstrel]

I can understand what you mean by "a noob trap", I understand the mechanic behind the SAM's limit break with Kuzushi. In fact, I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it. In fact, DRG's Limit Break is another ability I look for and counter it with Guard, which means I "get got" by a MCH' Limit Break. But, whenever someone else hits that "noob trap" and they get LM'ed, you, who happen to be near that "noob" will still get instant K.O. with them and those around that "noob". Also, 5 seconds is a shit ton of time (the word "shit" was used in a manner of passion, not insult), 5 seconds of SAM being ignored because "noob trap" means uninterrupted damage. Maybe, just maybe, all classes should get this "noob trap" (no, we shouldn't).

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

[Kiao-Ken]

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

Yes, I have. I should've stated that but I guess stating I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it did not suggest such tactic (this was by no means meant to be sarcastic, nor insult).

Edit: Oh, this is some of the SAM's kit:

1-Has two CC: Mineuchi, which stuns for 3 seconds and Hyosetsu, which binds for 2 seconds.

3-Has a second Purify called Meikyo Shisui (while also giving SAM user the ability to use Midare Setsugekka. This one is fine but with Purify?)

-4.1-Ogi Namikiri and Midare Setsugekka both gives an 8k potency shield to self AND able to deal 50% more damage when used on a single target. (An AoE dealing more damage to a single target…)

Too much for a single class to have.

[Cesarion]

Midare Setsugakka doesnt give you a shield like Ogi Namikiri, the tooltips dont mention Midare also giving shield.

Besides that because of the server tick samurai LB doesnt work correctly half of the time anyway.

[Kiao-Ken]

Midare Setsugakka doesnt give you a shield like Ogi Namikiri, the tooltips dont mention Midare also giving shield.

Besides that because of the server tick samurai LB doesnt work correctly half of the time anyway.

Oh shit, I will own up to that mistake. I know I was looking at Kaeshi: Namikiri and ended up typing Midare Setsu. I'll make the correction now. Thanks.

[Cesarion]

Also, whike Meiko gtrans purifying effects, you cant really use it when deep frozen, silenced or stunned, which makes it useless

[Kiao-Ken]

Disagree. The fact that a class, melee dps, has a secondary Purify (Meikyo Shisui Effect: Nullifies status afflictions that can be removed by Purify) is, by all means, not useless at all.

[Qeilos]

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

They could do a bit to make that stuff readable. Clicking on someone to look for specific buffs like that isnt great when you are trying to watch your own health cc certain people burst others, LB buffs should have some kind of associated massive glow. You certainly know when I drop Baha or Birb I dont see why this shouldnt be universal. I cant really think of many games where stuff like that isnt made graphically apparent without having to target them (think Kayle Taric Zilean ults etc if you know LoL).

Edit: Can someone clarify something for me since I actually dont know how this works

"Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi"

Does that mean if i put Slipstream down on the ground, he can pop Chiten and just intentionally walk into it to get the debuff slapped on me?

[Sinstrel]

They could do a bit to make that stuff readable. Clicking on someone to look for specific buffs like that isnt great when you are trying to watch your own health cc certain people burst others, LB buffs should have some kind of associated massive glow. You certainly know when I drop Baha or Birb I dont see why this shouldnt be universal. I cant really think of many games where stuff like that isnt made graphically apparent without having to target them (think Kayle Taric Zilean ults etc if you know LoL).

Edit: Can someone clarify something for me since I actually dont know how this works

"Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi"

Does that mean if i put Slipstream down on the ground, he can pop Chiten and just intentionally walk into it to get the debuff slapped on me?

Yes to your question.

As for it being apparent, there are a few easy ways to see what is going on. Starting with your HUD set up, you can enlarge the enemy team pannel. It shows what buffs each player has, as well as when their limit break is ready. At a quick glance, you can see "Oh, the samurai has LB ready. I should be careful about attacking them until he's used it. Or if I start attacking them, I should get ready to use my crowd control just in case." Not to plug myself or anything, but a good HUD set-up is essential to improving in PvP and I have made a guide on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw26G3oqLjg for any interested.

Coming from PvE to PvP is difficult because the information which is important is so different. For example, perhaps in PvE you would rarely make use of the /focus function. But in PvP you could use /focus on an enemy to see where they are at all times, see what buffs they have, and what they are casting. Very useful information is it not? But maybe not very useful in PvE.

[Qeilos]

Yes to your question.

As for it being apparent, there are a few easy ways to see what is going on. Starting with your HUD set up, you can enlarge the enemy team pannel. It shows what buffs each player has, as well as when their limit break is ready. At a quick glance, you can see "Oh, the samurai has LB ready. I should be careful about attacking them until he's used it. Or if I start attacking them, I should get ready to use my crowd control just in case." Not to plug myself or anything, but a good HUD set-up is essential to improving in PvP and I have made a guide on it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw26G3oqLjg for any interested.

Coming from PvE to PvP is difficult because the information which is important is so different. For example, perhaps in PvE you would rarely make use of the /focus function. But in PvP you could use /focus on an enemy to see where they are at all times, see what buffs they have, and what they are casting. Very useful information is it not? But maybe not very useful in PvE.

That seems unfun tbh, regarding it procing, my entire kit is aoe aside from ruin. Just by existing i stand to fail the "just dont hit him 4head"