Let's Talk About SAMURAI

[Kiao-Ken]

It’s understandable that when you think of the word Samurai, you think of Japan. The Samurai is heavily indoctrinated (indoctrinated might be the wrong choice of word, no ill intended but such a word has weight/impact) with Japan’s culture so much, that, I am left to think as to the reason why SAM class is brokenly Overpowered. There may be bias and or favoritism towards this class, after all this game does originate from Japan.

I’ll define what I mean and later express a “tactic” that I’ve been using in this new mode called Crystalline Conflict to counter these SAM users.

1-Has two CC: Mineuchi, which stuns for 3 seconds and Hyosetsu, which binds for 2 seconds.

2-Three gap closers (charges) called Hissatsu: Soten, with a 10 second cooldown for each when used; deals 4k potency in a linear path of 20yards (“yalms”) and offers a buff called Kaiten, which changes one of your single ability combo. (More on this later)

3-Has a second Purify called Meikyo Shisui (while also giving SAM user the ability to use Midare Setsugekka. This one is fine but with Purify?)

4-Two abilities have cast time called Ogi Namikiri and Midare Setsugekka; the problem? The problem is that these abilities can be casted at 1 second, SAM users can move, and the ability will still go off after an additional .3 seconds. This is not animation cancelling, this is cancelling the cast.

-4.1-Ogi Namikiri and Kaeshi:Namikiri both gives an 8k potency shield to self AND able to deal 50% more damage when used on a single target. (An AoE dealing more damage to a single target…)

5-Hissatsu: Chiten, the “cheating” DPS shield. It’s no longer 5 counter attacks, its 5 seconds of 2k counter potency AND 50% damage reduction for the whole duration. On top, it gives this buff called Kuzushi; which allows the SAM to deal 25% extra damage for 3 seconds which in turn, buffs their Limit Break.

6-Speaking of their Limit Break; Zantetsuken is an AoE ability, deals 24k potency, and can be used at 20yards. But here’s the catch; when opponent is inflicted with Kuzushi (from Hissatsu: Chiten), SAM will deal 100% of the opponent’s max health, in other words, 1 hit K.O. AND ignores the effects of Guard (grants damage reduction of 90% plus a few more buffs), can be used at 20yards. This is the reason range classes can get destroyed by this melee DPS at range.

7-In regards to Kaiten (from “2-“) Mangestu and Oka are two AoE abilities can that be used only when the gap closer is used. This would be fine IF SAM didn’t have so much as stated above “1-6”. Why use Gekko (single target ability, deals 4k potency) when you can use Mangetsu (AoE, deals 8k potency) and why use Kasha (single target, 5k potency) when you can use Oka (AoE, 5k potency AND absorbs 100% damage dealt as HP). (This could be defended with “What if SAM has used all their Hissatsu: Soten? They wouldn’t be able to use those abilities” This is easily manageable, and considering that you only need two charges; this is way too much)


As for this “tactic”, hard focus the SAM opponent. You should prioritize killing the SAM first before any of the four healers that you may or may not encounter; I’ve been doing such so while notifying my intent to the other four friendlies and have won more matches this way than instead of focusing their healer rather than their SAM. This "tactic" unfortunately will make that player (SAM) have an absolute bad time for such instance. The moment that SAM returns from spawn, they should immediately be killed within 3-5 seconds after they return from spawn. I do feel bad for that player but, this is a must at the moment to ensure a more possible win. I'm not asking for SAM to be gutted into oblivion; SAM is way too overpowered to be left in its current state; Not even Reaper pales in comparison; Ninja and Dragoon are extremely good, almost on par with Reaper and then there’s... Monk.


*Side Notes*

-Some Range DPSes seem a little lack luster; about range DPS, MCH instant chance to K.O. seems over the top. 3% is a lot, look at some other games with 1% drop chance, 1% happens a lot more than you think. (Black Mage may be at a good spot)

-Why was it a good idea to put 7 abilities all into one? Monk is such a lack luster compared to the other melee DPSes. Its Limit Break is a joke, heavily relies on Enlightenment to even do decent damage; isn’t an AoE for how little it does. It removes Guard but, SAM ‘s is so much better that it just K.O. a player with Guard with a gimmick.

-Tanks; they weren’t kidding when they mentioned that Tanks will be able to deal DPS near on par with melee DPSes.

-They should’ve allowed for organized groups to queue against other organized groups. And let solo queue, queue with other solo players. As to the reason? Poor resource management to PvP? Maybe.

[Teno]

It's been very fun seeing my sam buddy go in fully shielded and one shot a pack of players in FL with Zantetsuken.

[Kiao-Ken]

1-Has two CC: Mineuchi, which stuns for 3 seconds and Hyosetsu, which binds for 2 seconds.

When you're hit with Hyosetsu; I just realized; Bind prevents the use of abilities except for like Purify. Meaning, you'll be constantly getting CC'ed (Binded) by SAM by simply doing it's rotation.

NERF this damn class.

[Naizakane]

damn bro, this is a lot of words spent on being mad about zantetsuken. have you tried waiting for chiten to fall off before attacking the samurai?

[Kiao-Ken]

damn bro, this is a lot of words spent on being mad about zantetsuken. have you tried waiting for chiten to fall off before attacking the samurai?

I see you main Samurai, you really don't want Samurai to be balanced. Honestly, you're the same type of player that that gets this false sense of "I'm good because of me" when in reality, you're getting carried by the class. I've pvp'ed in this game as Samurai before and after this current patch, and it's a joke on how easy it is to kill other players. Not even Dragoon's Limit Break can 1-shot all players standing on the crystal like Samurai (range players tend to stay off the crystal... sometimes). Oh, and what makes you assume that I spent a lot of words on being mad about Zantetsuken? It's not even a proper paragraph to begin with on "6-". I may be wrong on this (probably not), but I think you're scared that your favorite class is being called out for being stupidly overpowered.

[Ixon]

I see you main Samurai, you really don't want Samurai to be balanced. Honestly, you're the same type of player that that gets this false sense of "I'm good because of me" when in reality, you're getting carried by the class. I've pvp'ed in this game as Samurai before and after this current patch, and it's a joke on how easy it is to kill other players. Not even Dragoon's Limit Break can 1-shot all players standing on the crystal like Samurai (range players tend to stay off the crystal... sometimes). Oh, and what makes you assume that I spent a lot of words on being mad about Zantetsuken? It's not even a proper paragraph to begin with on "6-". I may be wrong on this (probably not), but I think you're scared that your favorite class is being called out for being stupidly overpowered.

The guy gave legitimate advice, if you see a SAM with LB, don't hit into them for the 5 seconds they have Chiten up, and wail into them freely for the other 25sec. They also get LB a lot slower than other jobs because of how strong it is, so you only have to worry about it once or twice a match. The move is a noob trap as I have seem a lot of people die from it, but as soon as you know about it, it's not hard to counter.

[Kiao-Ken]

The guy gave legitimate advice, if you see a SAM with LB, don't hit into them for the 5 seconds they have Chiten up, and wail into them freely for the other 25sec. They also get LB a lot slower than other jobs because of how strong it is, so you only have to worry about it once or twice a match. The move is a noob trap as I have seem a lot of people die from it, but as soon as you know about it, it's not hard to counter.

I can understand what you mean by "a noob trap", I understand the mechanic behind the SAM's limit break with Kuzushi. In fact, I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it. In fact, DRG's Limit Break is another ability I look for and counter it with Guard, which means I "get got" by a MCH' Limit Break. But, whenever someone else hits that "noob trap" and they get LM'ed, you, who happen to be near that "noob" will still get instant K.O. with them and those around that "noob". Also, 5 seconds is a shit ton of time (the word "shit" was used in a manner of passion, not insult), 5 seconds of SAM being ignored because "noob trap" means uninterrupted damage. Maybe, just maybe, all classes should get this "noob trap" (no, we shouldn't).

[Sinstrel]

I can understand what you mean by "a noob trap", I understand the mechanic behind the SAM's limit break with Kuzushi. In fact, I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it. In fact, DRG's Limit Break is another ability I look for and counter it with Guard, which means I "get got" by a MCH' Limit Break. But, whenever someone else hits that "noob trap" and they get LM'ed, you, who happen to be near that "noob" will still get instant K.O. with them and those around that "noob". Also, 5 seconds is a shit ton of time (the word "shit" was used in a manner of passion, not insult), 5 seconds of SAM being ignored because "noob trap" means uninterrupted damage. Maybe, just maybe, all classes should get this "noob trap" (no, we shouldn't).

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

[Kiao-Ken]

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

Yes, I have. I should've stated that but I guess stating I've made sure to study SAM and to play SAM to counter it did not suggest such tactic (this was by no means meant to be sarcastic, nor insult).

Edit: Oh, this is some of the SAM's kit:

1-Has two CC: Mineuchi, which stuns for 3 seconds and Hyosetsu, which binds for 2 seconds.

3-Has a second Purify called Meikyo Shisui (while also giving SAM user the ability to use Midare Setsugekka. This one is fine but with Purify?)

-4.1-Ogi Namikiri and Midare Setsugekka both gives an 8k potency shield to self AND able to deal 50% more damage when used on a single target. (An AoE dealing more damage to a single target…)

Too much for a single class to have.

[Qeilos]

Hi Kaio-Ken,

Have you tried using your crowd control abilities on the samurai whenever they use Chiten and have LB ready? Crowd control abilities are things like stun, sleep, bind, freeze, silence, charm, hysteria, and heavy. It isn't recommended to attack the samurai while they have a -50% damage mitigation on them, but if you still decide to go that route anyway (or if your team mates do) maybe you could try to chain your crowd control abilities one after the next for 5 seconds so that your team doesn't die and you can rank up. I think every job has enough of these crowd control abilities to last 5 seconds. So you could totally prevent this situation on your own.

The samurai cannot move or use LB while crowd controlled, and the crowd control is on the came cooldown as chiten so it should be ready again every time the Samurai is ready. I don't think you need to have a gigabrain strat to counter a samurai, it's quite simple actually.

They could do a bit to make that stuff readable. Clicking on someone to look for specific buffs like that isnt great when you are trying to watch your own health cc certain people burst others, LB buffs should have some kind of associated massive glow. You certainly know when I drop Baha or Birb I dont see why this shouldnt be universal. I cant really think of many games where stuff like that isnt made graphically apparent without having to target them (think Kayle Taric Zilean ults etc if you know LoL).

Edit: Can someone clarify something for me since I actually dont know how this works

"Reduces damage taken by 50% and delivers an attack with a potency of 2,000 every time you suffer damage.
Duration: 5s
Additional Effect: Afflicts target with Kuzushi"

Does that mean if i put Slipstream down on the ground, he can pop Chiten and just intentionally walk into it to get the debuff slapped on me?