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    Bureda Ghodhand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Espri View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? SAM is literally the second worst melee in endgame pve content in total damage output contribution, and doesn't even offer utility to compensate like SMN does.
    :clown emoji: here's some attention for your statement. Go google some performances.
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    Espri Leuan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bureda View Post
    :clown emoji: here's some attention for your statement. Go google some performances.


    ... you mean the objective numbers proving me right? If you're saying to google some performances you know where to check for aggregate data on savage performance. The numbers don't lie. That's even with the buffs - sort by 1 day old, you're still wrong.

    If you want more proof, check how many of the top 10 speed kills for P4S have SAM. The answer is zero.
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    Last edited by Espri; 04-15-2022 at 11:40 PM.

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    Sidamel Wyndfyre
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    Some are just mad about the one-shot ability. That's all. Else the class isn't "that" strong.
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidamel View Post
    Some are just mad about the one-shot ability. That's all. Else the class isn't "that" strong.
    It's fairly commonly agreed that NIN and SAM are two of the most effective jobs overall due to the insane amount of burst they can output in a few GCDs with minimal setup involved.

    Their LBs are honestly just icing on the cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It's fairly commonly agreed that NIN and SAM are two of the most effective jobs overall due to the insane amount of burst they can output in a few GCDs with minimal setup involved.

    Their LBs are honestly just icing on the cake.
    NIN needs more burst. After Silver you won't be able to harass anyone with an opener. Also, that burst has a 30 second cooldown which is years in PVP. However you do need to stop a ninja from chain executing when they ult with cc. That is situational, however SAM has the highest burst in the game whilst getting defensive stats. NIN and RDM you have to select consciously between going defensive or offensive. However, as it stands now. SAM has insane damage and very short cooldowns and is FACTUALLY tankier than the tanks. I can burst a warrior, a paladin and a drk but it's a challenge to burst an active Samurai, they end up mitigating a lot because they get rewarded for offensive actions and make no discerning decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidamel View Post
    Some are just mad about the one-shot ability. That's all. Else the class isn't "that" strong.
    What about it's Bind abilities in it's normal rotation? Purify will only last so long until its on cooldown, but that Bind won't be.
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    It's not a skill that you can simply use at will and there are more classes that can do CC below the purify cd.

    Beside how many times do you really do a 1 vs 1?
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    It's an AoE Bind and in CC, constantly.
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    Istrault Sirois
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiao-Ken View Post
    What about it's Bind abilities in it's normal rotation? Purify will only last so long until its on cooldown, but that Bind won't be.
    As a BLM this happens to me way too often.
    SAM: * dashes and binds me*
    me: *purify and guard*
    SAM: *notices I used "Purify" and dashes and binds me again*
    me: *cant guard or anything just insta-dead from a middare and ogi namakiri*

    Monk at least is fair and give me a fighting chance and also RDM needs to be nerfed as well.

    5 seconds
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    Daca'a Fashonti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelittelot View Post
    As a BLM this happens to me way too often.
    SAM: * dashes and binds me*
    me: *purify and guard*
    SAM: *notices I used "Purify" and dashes and binds me again*
    me: *cant guard or anything just insta-dead from a middare and ogi namakiri*

    Monk at least is fair and give me a fighting chance and also RDM needs to be nerfed as well.

    5 seconds
    Blizzard > Paradox > Superflare. 3 second Deep Freeze. If they Purify it, wait out the purify and then either build another Deep Freeze or use Night Wing and Sprint/Guard during the Half-Asleep timer. Make sure to come out of Guard just before Sleep kicks in, so you have 4 seconds to get out of there.
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