Stop complaining. You wanted this.

[UkcsAlias]

why not just make an auction, highest bidder gets the plot, problem solved, maybe in addition to the other systems.

In games currency is never balanced between players, because a few traders are often going overkill on this. And long term players often also have a lot of currency. This makes such system nearly useless for 95% of the playerbase as they again have no chance. Compared to that even the current system is already better.

Having some houses with an extreme cost on that could on that at least get the lottery size smaller on them. If a mansion for an FC could cost 500m, only a few FCs will enter. But on that have a very large chance, compared to a mansion in which hundreds of FCs enter. The same for player houses. (and on that also is a good gil sink).

[Illmaeran]

I was there when people complained that FCs weren't buying all the houses and they couldn't have one of their own, so they added personal housing.

I was there when people complained that players who had quit the game owned their plot in perpetuity keeping them from owning a home, so they added demolition.

I was there when people complained that there were no housing plots left, so they added apartments.

I was there when people complained about the widespread reselling of plots, so they added the random timer.

I was there when people complained that the random timer caused players to sit and click a placard for obscene amounts of time while having to compete with auto-click scripts/bots, so they added a lottery.

I was there when people complained that players could relocate instantly and bypass the timer, so they disabled relocation to plots of land not yet available for sale (ie, still on the timer).

I was there when people complained of shell FCs being created and sold for insane amounts of Gil or real money, so they added restrictions to FC ownership and FC requirements for plot purchase.



The lottery is a direct result of years of player complaints and adjustments on the part of SE. People are going to whine, complain, and light dumpster fires no matter what happens, barring fully instanced individual housing. That being said, a lottery is the most equitable system available at the moment with the current constraints. Personally, I love the idea and accept that I may not get a plot, but at least everyone who puts their money down for it has an equal chance of winning it and I'll get to keep playing or even spend time in the real world and not "have" to click a placard for ungodly amounts of time on the off chance I beat someone else out. That's a good trade off in my book.

If you don't get a house with the lottery, please keep your hands off the keyboard and keep your complaints to yourself. "You may think you want it, but you don't.".

[Jojoya]

I was there when people complained that FCs weren't buying all the houses and they couldn't have one of their own, so they added personal housing.

I was there when people complained that players who had quit the game owned their plot in perpetuity keeping them from owning a home, so they added demolition.

I was there when people complained that there were no housing plots left, so they added apartments.

I was there when people complained about the widespread reselling of plots, so they added the random timer.

I was there when people complained that the random timer caused players to sit and click a placard for obscene amounts of time while having to compete with auto-click scripts/bots, so they added a lottery.

I was there when people complained that players could relocate instantly and bypass the timer, so they disabled relocation to plots of land not yet available for sale (ie, still on the timer).

I was there when people complained of shell FCs being created and sold for insane amounts of Gil or real money, so they added restrictions to FC ownership and FC requirements for plot purchase.



The lottery is a direct result of years of player complaints and adjustments on the part of SE. People are going to whine, complain, and light dumpster fires no matter what happens, barring fully instanced individual housing. That being said, a lottery is the most equitable system available at the moment with the current constraints. Personally, I love the idea and accept that I may not get a plot, but at least everyone who puts their money down for it has an equal chance of winning it and I'll get to keep playing or even spend time in the real world and not "have" to click a placard for ungodly amounts of time on the off chance I beat someone else out. That's a good trade off in my book.

If you don't get a house with the lottery, please keep your hands off the keyboard and keep your complaints to yourself. "You may think you want it, but you don't.".

Need to be careful thinking that it is every player making the exact same complaints. There have been players that were happy with the system then upset with the subsequent change.

Don't they deserve their chance to get feedback when SE had listened to and acted on the feedback of others.

There definitely will be players who are complaining they can't get a house with the lottery because they were not the ones asking for a lottery - you don't get to tell them to shut up.

[Nepentha]

I was there when people complained that FCs weren't buying all the houses and they couldn't have one of their own, so they added personal housing.

I was there when people complained that players who had quit the game owned their plot in perpetuity keeping them from owning a home, so they added demolition.

I was there when people complained that there were no housing plots left, so they added apartments.

I was there when people complained about the widespread reselling of plots, so they added the random timer.

I was there when people complained that the random timer caused players to sit and click a placard for obscene amounts of time while having to compete with auto-click scripts/bots, so they added a lottery.

I was there when people complained that players could relocate instantly and bypass the timer, so they disabled relocation to plots of land not yet available for sale (ie, still on the timer).

I was there when people complained of shell FCs being created and sold for insane amounts of Gil or real money, so they added restrictions to FC ownership and FC requirements for plot purchase.



The lottery is a direct result of years of player complaints and adjustments on the part of SE. People are going to whine, complain, and light dumpster fires no matter what happens, barring fully instanced individual housing. That being said, a lottery is the most equitable system available at the moment with the current constraints. Personally, I love the idea and accept that I may not get a plot, but at least everyone who puts their money down for it has an equal chance of winning it and I'll get to keep playing or even spend time in the real world and not "have" to click a placard for ungodly amounts of time on the off chance I beat someone else out. That's a good trade off in my book.

If you don't get a house with the lottery, please keep your hands off the keyboard and keep your complaints to yourself. "You may think you want it, but you don't.".

If all a person is doing is complaining, I might see your point. But if someone is suggesting tweaks here, or offering criticism there, then no. I encourage them to bring up their grievance, then.

I do agree that the only way stop complaints regarding housing acquisition is to make enough housing for everyone.

[Kyssa]

See this is the reason I believe players who ALREADY owns a house shouldn’t be in the lottery. You own a house and you also get to put in a lottery, where say I do not own a house and I get one lottery ticket. If you lose, oh well…you STILL have your house!

Oh, sure I heard the argument, that nothing gets hurt because you are swapping one house for another, while I say you are wasting my time of at least 9 to 18 days. I lose out, you win, you old house goes on the market in the NEXT lottery and now not only are there going to be more people in the lottery, we have to wait another 9 days.

Do you guys really think that is fair?!?

My personal is a plot 29 in LB. I'm not giving that up. I love it and for just little old me, a small will suffice.

I would like to upgrade our FC house, as it's also a small. We're a family guild, but we play daily and the play-styles vary enough that having a bigger place would really be the optimum choice. If we win one, the home we have will be up for grabs for the next player or FC. Yeah, I do think that's fair.

However, as I have already stated- I wouldn't grumble or moan if I lost- because ultimately I have something. It's small and crowded, but it's ours and we can and will make do. The plots I have/my FC has weren't handed to us. We put in the hours, over months to get them instead of enjoying the game- which btw, a few of us just celebrated our year anniversary last month. Housing was what drew my interest to the game, so I made that my priority once I was eligible and had enough gil saved.

I won't say getting a plot is easy with the system we have now- it's far from not, but it is what it is. I survived it, and while I'm happy to take a backseat to those who haven't had the joy of getting a house yet if that's what the lottery mechanics were to demand, no, I do not think I should be excluded totally from upgrading for my FC if I have the gil to do so and the system allows for it.

[Illmaeran]

There have been players that were happy with the system then upset with the subsequent change.

Normally I agree with a lot of what you say and have forum-respect for you Jojoya, but in this case I need to disagree.

I was very happy being able to walk up to a plot and buy it right then and there. I didn't ask for demolition or the random timer (I was rather displeased about that), but I knew why they did it and that I could do nothing to get it reversed so I kept my mouth shut.

People absolutely have the right to complain when they're not satisfied with something like this. However, the fact of the matter is SE have made their decision and we can only go with it in the immediate future. There's been enough complaining about FCFS and Lottery for SE to get the message. Rather than complain about the situation and deal with all the fights complaints like these cause, we should be unifying in expressing the need for SE to expand the way they handle housing. Whether that be significantly more wards, improved instanced housing/apartments, (rapid) expansion of Island Sanctuary functionality, or whatever else it may be. That's our best option for meaningful and satisfactory improvement.

As I said, I've seen all the housing shenanigans come and go, so I know feedback/complaints DO work, but only insofar as the changes SE are willing to make. I can't see them coming up with any further options past the lottery with the housing system as it is. That's pretty much the endgame scenario given what we have now. We need to change the topic to significant change as I mentioned above, not continue beating dead horses and each other.

[UkcsAlias]

Need to be careful thinking that it is every player making the exact same complaints. There have been players that were happy with the system then upset with the subsequent change.

Those people do not lose their options entirely. some houses will still be FCFS (unless i did misunderstand that, which then indeed would actualy be a bad thing. dedication to some degree must be rewarded), its just that in the initial release that isnt going to happen, which is a good thing. FCFS and an update at the same time is just going to be a fight of who gets through a queue faster.

[Jojoya]

Those people do not lose their options entirely. some houses will still be FCFS (unless i did misunderstand that, which then indeed would actualy be a bad thing. dedication to some degree must be rewarded), its just that in the initial release that isnt going to happen, which is a good thing. FCFS and an update at the same time is just going to be a fight of who gets through a queue faster.

FCFS ends when maintenance starts on Monday. All wards will be lottery when servers come up from maintenance on Tuesday.

We have no idea when, or even if, FCFS will return. Personally, I don't expect it to return unless wards end up with multiple vacancies for prolonged periods of time. I can see it happening on Zurvan and possibly Ravana in the latter half of 6.1 since those worlds appear to be the lowest pop among the Materia worlds. There is a chance the new EU and NA worlds being added this summer will see it depending on what happens with Materia. Some JP worlds might see it because their populations are much lower than NA/EU and their demand for houses is much lower as a result.

If you're on an existing EU or NA world, you will never see FCFS again unless SE pulls out all the stops and increases ward count in every housing district from 24 to 36 or more. Player population and demand is far too high compared to the plots per world.

[DeNada]

FCFS ends when maintenance starts on Monday. All wards will be lottery when servers come up from maintenance on Tuesday.

We have no idea when, or even if, FCFS will return. Personally, I don't expect it to return unless wards end up with multiple vacancies for prolonged periods of time. I can see it happening on Zurvan and possibly Ravana in the latter half of 6.1 since those worlds appear to be the lowest pop among the Materia worlds. There is a chance the new EU and NA worlds being added this summer will see it depending on what happens with Materia. Some JP worlds might see it because their populations are much lower than NA/EU and their demand for houses is much lower as a result.

If you're on an existing EU or NA world, you will never see FCFS again unless SE pulls out all the stops and increases ward count in every housing district from 24 to 36 or more. Player population and demand is far too high compared to the plots per world.

I don't think SE will enable FCFS only for certain worlds or data center though as it would just confuse players. The implementation would most likely be across the board so it would probably be as and when they feel like it then they would apply the switch.

[Illmaeran]

I could see them bringing FCFS back months from now when everything new or relinquished for relocation is done and we're back to trying to snag that rare demolished plot. I think there's enough desire for FCFS on the NA/EU DCs that this may actually be an option they consider going forward.