New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Rathmir]

i don't want to give up the fight, but at the same time the 14 team and Yoshida went ultra quiet right after the LL and havent spoken a word since the end of the stream. i want to hope and pray that these were just a joke and not actually what we are getting, but to leave that joke unbroken all the way to 6.1 would be just cruel on their part.

Im bracing myself for them to push it through to live because they apparently given zero Fs about our opinion on the matter.

Expect eh worst, hope for best? Matching the majority of Endwalker's topic, heh.
Let's see if the outcome also results in an happy ending here.

For now there's not much more left than collecting as many negative voices as possible. And be it only for dropping a joke like that towards a part of the player base, which already had the feeling of being at the lowest end possible and acting surprisingly peaceful so far.

As a player, who constantly chooses beast races wherever they are, I'm pretty used to the lack of options. But together with former WoW options (connect beards+ears and eyes+face around Worgen) always belonged to the lower end. Still don't regret chosing Hroth, and always keep like that. But it's really time for a properly made update, all free of wigs.

Just my 2 cent negatives around that shown stuff.

[Yencat]

Actually saw someone saying that "Hrothgar players always complain about what they get, you should be happy you got anything"

Well they're right, I remember several times since Hrothgar came where they gave you *checks notes* nothing, and you guys complained then as well!

That was super entitled.

[Akimori]

Well they're right, I remember several times since Hrothgar came where they gave you *checks notes* nothing, and you guys complained then as well!

That was super entitled.

I laughed harder than I should have

[MsQi]

They really need to show the ears. They do it for Miqo'te (though sometimes poorly) they should do it for Hrothgar. I'm hoping they were kidding about the ears being under the hair and that it was a work in progress.

[Pip_Chick]

During the LL I was hoping to see them laugh and say "April's fools joke! We got you good guys!" then proceed to show the actual hairstyles for Hrothgar. But, no. It just ended...
I continued to look at the screen in disbelief at what I just watched. I have told one of my FC mates that Hrothgar is going to get new hairstyles, no more buying fantasia to change your precious locks! Only to get disappointed.
I tried to talk to them and they said the same thing as many people in this thread, 3+ years for Hrothgar to get an ugly wig super glued to their head and a free ear amputation.
And the devs should know they messed up when even the non-Hrothgars and the Japanese players are upset.
I am still in disbelief. I have rewatched that scene 10 times already, I expected them to laugh and come out with it as a badly done joke, but...they just laughed... it hurt.
I do not play Hrothgar, that is because I like playing female characters in MMOs so I am more waiting for Female Hrothgar to be released (with what I have seen though now I am getting worried that they will be made poorly). This felt like a slap in the face. I am deeply disappointed.
And as a 3D artist that has gone to university to study this, I find it insulting that they would put such emphasis on the model when it can be easily fixed. Just by giving the Hrothgar the Miquo'te treatment. Separate the ears from the head and attach the mesh to the "head" bone of the rig while keeping the offset of the ears mesh location in place. That should separate it while keeping the parenting of the mesh to the rig. In simpler terms separate the ears from the head (like in the case of Viera and Miquo'te) while keeping them connected to the rig. Thus letting them have the hair without the aforementioned ear amputation.
And before people ask, yes I have seen before the ear disappearing glitch (though it was not ears, but horns. But that is beside the point) and I managed to fix it by doing as stated above separate the vanishing body part and locking it to the rig (you could even modify the rig to have ear "bones" and that would make it even easier).

[Zorixas]

At first, my reaction was the same as everyone else (confusion and outrage), but I decided to look a little deeper into it and found some things to be a bit odd. Right now this is a compilation of all the information that was found:

1. It was the 70th Producer Live Letter (PLL) to be broadcasted, but it was the first of the PLLs to be broadcasted on April 1st. There are no other examples of what they would do in this particular scenario.

The only thing that went through my head when I saw these was the infamous quote from red shirt guy at Blizzcon a couple of years back.

"Is this an out of season April Fools joke?"

2. What they showed were printouts of Hrothgar with different hairstyles rather than a demonstration of how the hairstyles would look in the game. I point this out because it's not just an aesthetic implementation but also a technical one, as Hrothgars don't even have a menu for hairstyles, and it would have made logical sense to show that menu addition as well.

There 6 total I just didn't post it because the amount of space the images take. Someone made this online so you can see all 6 of them but they all share the no ears problem

3. All of the hairstyles that were presented in the printouts were most definitely not presentable first choices.

4. The Hrothgar ears are part of the head more so than the hair. In order for what was seen to exist, they would of had to model new heads with ears that would be toggled off visibly when changing to those hairstyles. If there was a decision made that would be called lazy, then it would be to just add the hairstyles menu, slap on the Roegadyn hairstyles and call it a day, which would have actually been far more presentable. If what they showed was actually in game presentations, then it would have taken more time and effort to do it. This has me speculating of the probability that those printouts were photoshopped or purposefully forged in some way.

Personally I'm quite disappointed in what was shown. It doesn't look good, and it doesn't make sense when they have been perfectly fine with editing some hair meshes for other heads (ie miqote) in the past.

In case anyone is interested, here's how hrothgar heads look bald today:
Unless they have changed how the models is structured for 6.1, the ears as much part of the head as hyur/roe/elezen/lala ears and aura horns.

All of this is tempering my own rage, as nothing about this presentation is making any sense. If there can be teleporting underground bots, then how difficult would it be to make hair and hat mods than can be seen by other players? A personal opinion that I have as well is that usually when something is presented that can be perceived as controversial, then there would be an apology in some form or another. However, there was neither an apology within the live letter, nor after it. All of this has me, at the very least, suspicious of the whole thing. So I will wait until the release of 6.1 before taking any action. If this turns out to be real, then my actions will most likely be rage-induced and reflectively regrettable.

[Jason_Ashford]

At first, my reaction was the same as everyone else (confusion and outrage), but I decided to look a little deeper into it and found some things to be a bit odd. Right now this is a compilation of all the information that was found:

1. It was the 70th Producer Live Letter (PLL) to be broadcasted, but it was the first of the PLLs to be broadcasted on April 1st. There are no other examples of what they would do in this particular scenario.



2. What they showed were printouts of Hrothgar with different hairstyles rather than a demonstration of how the hairstyles would look in the game. I point this out because it's not just an aesthetic implementation but also a technical one, as Hrothgars don't even have a menu for hairstyles, and it would have made logical sense to show that menu addition as well.



3. All of the hairstyles that were presented in the printouts were most definitely not presentable first choices.



4. The Hrothgar ears are part of the head more so than the hair. In order for what was seen to exist, they would of had to model new heads with ears that would be toggled off visibly when changing to those hairstyles. If there was a decision made that would be called lazy, then it would be to just add the hairstyles menu, slap on the Roegadyn hairstyles and call it a day, which would have actually been far more presentable. if what they showed was actually in game presentations, then it would have taken more time and effort to do it. This has me speculating of the probability that those printouts were photoshopped or purposefully forged in some way.







All of this is tempering my own rage, as nothing about this presentation is making any sense. If there can be teleporting underground bots, then how difficult would it be to make hair and hat mods than can be seen by other players? A personal opinion that I have as well is that usually when something is presented that can be perceived as controversial, then there would be an apology in some form or another. However, there was neither an apology within the live letter, nor after it. All of this has me, at the very least, suspicious of the whole thing. So I will wait until the release of 6.1 before taking any action. If this turns out to be real, then my actions will most likely be rage-induced and reflectively regrettable.

I *really* hope you are right. because i honestly don't think i can stomach playing Hrothgar anymore if we are continually treated as an afterthought

[Vahlnir]

I *really* hope you are right. because i honestly don't think i can stomach playing Hrothgar anymore if we are continually treated as an afterthought

Yeah. I'm hoping we are all wrong and that this was a misunderstanding. I'm just expecting the worst. Even if it was a joke, it was in poor taste. And they should have known how well it was going to go over. There was nothing funny about it.

[Jason_Ashford]

Yeah. I'm hoping we are all wrong and that this was a misunderstanding. I'm just expecting the worst. Even if it was a joke, it was in poor taste. And they should have known how well it was going to go over. There was nothing funny about it.

it is the worst kind of joke honestly. not only is it in extremely poor taste, but to pull that kind of thing on a group who has waited nearly 3 years to be given what they were promised is... well in the interest of avoiding a ban from the forums i'll skip the colorful description and just say it is a major jerk thing to do

[LaylaTsarra]

it is the worst kind of joke honestly. not only is it in extremely poor taste, but to pull that kind of thing on a group who has waited nearly 3 years to be given what they were promised is... well in the interest of avoiding a ban from the forums i'll skip the colorful description and just say it is a major jerk thing to do

It's not an April Fools joke. They wouldn't do that. Sadly what you see is what you get. As I mentioned earlier given the reception they should pull the release and fix it so they don't have to pull it later. There are people who will like it and then it becomes harder to change.