How is anyone fine with the 4-month patch delivery schedule?

[ZedxKayn]

You could always do what I did and let the house go. Otherwise it's up to you whether keeping the house is worth the sub fees.

I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

[Ixon]

I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

Idk about you, but I can't decorate the outside of my apartment and have zero land to garden in...

[ZedxKayn]

Idk about you, but I can't decorate the outside of my apartment and have zero land to garden in...

That's exactly what I'm saying, because whenever someone brings up housing requiring a sub not to be locked out off, someone always come in to say "BUT APARTMENTS!1!!" so I wanted to get that out of the way first, that apartments and FC rooms don't equate a house

[Ixon]

That's exactly what I'm saying, because whenever someone brings up housing requiring a sub not to be locked out off, someone always come in to say "BUT APARTMENTS!1!!" so I wanted to get that out of the way first, that apartments and FC rooms don't equate a house

I really think you are stretching for evilness and schemes when it's just a by-product of the circumstances. Maybe I'm a blinded simp to SE, but I don't see it. Here's how it went as far as I can tell:
- People wanted houses, so they built houses, and to make it feel like a community, they put a bunch of them in sections called Wards.
- They were/are building off the crappy 1.0 system that wasn't built well in the first place, so the wards were also more optimal and required less space than individual housed instances.
- They only started with a few, not foreseeing them running out as quickly and not anticipating people and FC's buying out whole wards.
- They slowly added more and more wards as server limitations allow, but there still isn't enough, so they come up with the idea of evicting people who literally do not log on an play the game. You can call this scummy or w/e, but why if I was SE, and I had choose between the subbed player wanting a house and the unsubbed player NOT even using their house, would I ever favor in the person who isn't subbed. That makes zero sense.
- Still there is a cry for housing, what can they do that isn't taxing on more and more wards? Apartment! Which by themselves are just the rooms like you have in a house. Again, this makes sense as you can add more of them as they are not restricted by physical land, and probably do not takes as much space as entire wards.
- Of course you can't decorate the outside of an apartment, unless you have a balcony you can't do that irl either. the only point I could argue is maybe give way for gardening inside. I know they have some already with certain flowers and pots if I recall.

Again, you can think of it being big bad SE nickel and diming you, but I see it as the devs having an IDEA of what they thought housing SHOULD be, and trying to play catch-up. You know, like they do for everything new they have ever added ever. The current housing system is too big now to radically change it, they are always adding features, so in the words of the illuminati, "Please look forward to it."

Also not directly you, but I love when people mention the Mogstation. Yoshi-P has absolutely ZERO control over that, he said so himself. That was the deal he struck with S when he took over. He got full control over FFXIV's direction, but the Mogstation was given control to a "scary lady" I think he mentioned in who works for SE. So when crummy Mogstations stuff goes up, that's not Yoshi-P or the devs, that someone in SE looking for their next cash grab, so if you are looking for a villain look there instead of the devs.

[Izar_Chillen]

I really think you are stretching for evilness and schemes when it's just a by-product of the circumstances. Maybe I'm a blinded simp to SE, but I don't see it

If they intended on making the housing system virtual neighbourhoods and not solo instances , like they did do , and not have ill intentions , they would have ensured that they had server space for the large amount of player housing that was inevitably happening due to the vast interest from said player feedback in the first place and not tie the housing plots to a subscription, permanently, and not remove that caveat once said server spaces were fulfilled , which they aren't because they haven't done any server buying just for these housing estates since they added them.


This excuse is it needs to be tied to sub so that it frees up houses for players that want a house over those that have left the game all the whilst hiding the fact they they should have bought the server space to make virtual housing neighbourhoods a non issue and also at the same time coerce those that have a massive amount of sunk costs in their virtual homes to keep subbing or they lose their time and effort in just 45 days of non payment.

[Ixon]

If they intended on making the housing system virtual neighbourhoods and not solo instances , like they did do , and not have ill intentions , they would have ensured that they had server space for the large amount of player housing that was inevitably happening due to the vast interest from said player feedback in the first place and not tie the housing plots to a subscription, permanently, and not remove that caveat once said server spaces were fulfilled , which they aren't because they haven't done any server buying just for these housing estates since they added them.


This excuse is it needs to be tied to sub so that it frees up houses for players that want a house over those that have left the game all the whilst hiding the fact they they should have bought the server space to make virtual housing neighbourhoods a non issue and also at the same time coerce those that have a massive amount of sunk costs in their virtual homes to keep subbing or they lose their time and effort in just 45 days of non payment.

I personally don't think the argument of "just buy more servers lul" is as realistic as people make it out to be. I also don't get where you say they were ever "hiding" anything? And yeah, you don't pay your rent you get evicted. Not sure why this is super far-fetched, though again, maybe it's just me. Like, if they NEVER added new wards or new housing districts then MAYBE I could agree on them being scummy about it. They are even adding in new systems to house buying to ensure people have a fair chance and houses don't all get bought up by the same people, which seems like an anti-scummy move to me.

[Izar_Chillen]

I personally don't think the argument of "just buy more servers lul" is as realistic as people make it out to be. I also don't get where you say they were ever "hiding" anything? And yeah, you don't pay your rent you get evicted. Not sure why this is super far-fetched, though again, maybe it's just me. Like, if they NEVER added new wards or new housing districts then MAYBE I could agree on them being scummy about it. They are even adding in new systems to house buying to ensure people have a fair chance and houses don't all get bought up by the same people, which seems like an anti-scummy move to me.

You even gloss over the fact that they are , once again , throwing new band-aids on top of a now festering wound . There is only one solution to a system that requires much larger server space to alleviate the housing ownership issues . More servers . You shouldn't , if in good faith ,design a system that needs the room to house virtual neighbourhoods and not have the servers to host it all.

They created exclusivity behind a paywall when they didnt need to. Of course it wont change now because people pay up.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I did that, but locking some content (since apartments don't give you access to outside decorating and gardening) behind a required sub is still slimy and worth calling out

Honey, you saying this as if FFXIV is a free to play game. News flash, content beyond Heavensward is required a monthly sub to access. Also two factors.

A. Housing in this game is a commitment due to available purchasable plots being at a premium, that along with the exuberant amounts of money one would need to purchase one and decorate it however they so desire. Its not a thing where any average joe would be able to get sadly. The limited system is flawed for sure and its debatable whether we should have instanced housing instead (My opinion would be to have the option of both. Where we keep the perma housing wards while others can instead get an instance to decorate/garden/stable, this is my hope Island Sanctuaries become).

B. The 45 day inactive grace period is implemented to prevent unfair users who purchase the home but dont do anything with their plot as a means to completely prevent other players from purchasing land. Basically its there to combat some bit of scarcity. In that sense, 45 days is more than enough for anybody who was serious on their home to log in and tend to their house. And for a lot of people, housing is a huge part of their endgame so again its not something they would take lightly.

[ZedxKayn]

Honey, you saying this as if FFXIV is a free to play game. News flash, content beyond Heavensward is required a monthly sub to access. Also two factors.

A. Housing in this game is a commitment due to available purchasable plots being at a premium, that along with the exuberant amounts of money one would need to purchase one and decorate it however they so desire. Its not a thing where any average joe would be able to get sadly. The limited system is flawed for sure and its debatable whether we should have instanced housing instead (My opinion would be to have the option of both. Where we keep the perma housing wards while others can instead get an instance to decorate/garden/stable, this is my hope Island Sanctuaries become).

B. The 45 day inactive grace period is implemented to prevent unfair users who purchase the home but dont do anything with their plot as a means to completely prevent other players from purchasing land. Basically its there to combat some bit of scarcity. In that sense, 45 days is more than enough for anybody who was serious on their home to log in and tend to their house. And for a lot of people, housing is a huge part of their endgame so again its not something they would take lightly.

I'm complaining about the devs having the audacity to say "just unsub if you have nothing to do" while simultaneously punishing house owners who have nothing to do and would like to unsub. That's what's slimy. That's what requires the sub even when players would like not to be subbed.

Personally I used to be really into housing and spent a ton of both real and in game money and time to take care of my houses, I'm perfectly aware of the commitment, but I really did not like the idea of all I put into housing turning into dust if I want a longer than 45 days break from the game. I don't care why things are that way, it's as grating to hear the devs encourage people to unsub during droughts as it was to be told to go do Ultimate if we want "engaging healer gameplay". It's not addressing the elephant in the room.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm complaining about the devs having the audacity to say "just unsub if you have nothing to do" while simultaneously punishing house owners who have nothing to do and would like to unsub. That's what's slimy. That's what requires the sub even when players would like not to be subbed.

Personally I used to be really into housing and spent a ton of both real and in game money and time to take care of my houses, I'm perfectly aware of the commitment, but I really did not like the idea of all I put into housing turning into dust if I want a longer than 45 days break from the game. I don't care why things are that way, it's as grating to hear the devs encourage people to unsub during droughts as it was to be told to go do Ultimate if we want "engaging healer gameplay". It's not addressing the elephant in the room.

That sounds like a YOU problem in all honesty. Not a lot of people in this game own a house which is why I said that there is a certain commitment if you want to keep something thats takes up actual permanent space on a server. Again I'm not saying this system is completely perfect but those requirements are there to keep the limited housing crisis fair for everybody....as fair as such a system can get. The devs commenting people to take breaks is a general address for the majority of the community to take in regards to the game's content. Housing in of itself is just the one rare exception here, like I said a good portion of the playerbase dont own one anyway. There's nothing overly scummy for the devs to say that and the log in requirement is there to better gauge people whom stay committed to their premium virtual space. Is it fair for other people who have the means to buy a house but cant because all plots are already taken? Even by those who dont sub as much as them? You have a month and 2 weeks to stay unsubbed in this game if you own a house, which imo is enough for people to take their break and come back to do some game stuff.

I get what you're saying though. Everybody's situation will be different and its hard to cater to every single individual's needs in an MMO. I hope Island Sanctuaries help alleviate the limited housing issue.