World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[VerdeLuck]

What killed WoW for a lot of people I know was the fact that a large portion of the game was unplayable if you weren't in an active guild on horde specifically. As long as SE allows players to experience most if not all of the content without needing a static or large active FC, then they'll keep doing fine.

[Y2K21]

I wouldn’t say I’m hardcore by any stretch, but Legion was pretty easy to progress and keep multiple alts. I cleared every tier regularly with 3 classes normal and heroic (DH, warlock, Paladin) and had some other reasonably geared alts.

So you grinded AP between three different classes (not counting any spec swaps if any) prior to any catch-up implementation (so no AP knowledge catchup, order hall resource catch-up, not legendary tokens)?

Thats what everyone complained about from 7.0 to 7.1.5 was that AP gated alts and spec swaps.

What killed WoW for a lot of people I know was the fact that a large portion of the game was unplayable if you weren't in an active guild on horde specifically. As long as SE allows players to experience most if not all of the content without needing a static or large active FC, then they'll keep doing fine.

Bro, unless you are progging Mythic -- you can find Alliance guilds pretty well off. Server dependent of course, but thats another issue onto itself.

[Roflcopter]

So you grinded AP between three different classes (not counting any spec swaps if any) prior to any catch-up implementation (so no AP knowledge catchup, order hall resource catch-up, not legendary tokens)?

Thats what everyone complained about from 7.0 to 7.1.5 was that AP gated alts and spec swaps.


Bro, unless you are progging Mythic -- you can find Alliance guilds pretty well off. Server dependent of course, but thats another issue onto itself.

Yeah. I was home with the kids during Legion so had a lot more time on my hands. Otherwise, it would likely have been only one class.

Also, I didn’t swap with the classes for the most part. Prot Paladin, Havoc DH and affliction lock. I did swap the lock later on to destro I think but that wasn’t until Tomb of Sargeras where there was catchup.

[AmpelioB]

Except the recent influx is from midcore WoW players looking for an MMO to go to lol, not casual players who can't handle a three-button rotation. The game has changed significantly from HW to ShB, and if you think there was no deviation you are honestly deluded.

and what they will probably do some Asphodelos Savage, clear it and move to ultimate/old savage min ilvl.

[Roflcopter]

Bro, unless you are progging Mythic -- you can find Alliance guilds pretty well off. Server dependent of course, but thats another issue onto itself.

Finding a full server is always a top priority. You don’t wanna be stuck on a dead or dying WoW server. I remember everyone still memeing “Blackrock is Full” until I left it as almost no one was on it anymore.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Like the population of most MMOs in the genre in general, and particularly in older ones like WoW and FFXIV - a lot of the playerbase has aged into full time careers and families. A large number may have an hour a day, or sometimes no time at all to play the game at times. I mean my nephew who used to play WoW as like an actual child is now post-college aged and working full time.

There are probably massive numbers of people like this who are very casual at this point, and probably the largest number of subscribers if you were to really categorize them. I think there is content for all types of players but it's bizarre to think a company should not create content that would appeal to a large part of the playerbase.

[Roflcopter]

I think your definition of Midcore is skewed. While you are correct that Midcore players are casual in the sense that they are not usually raiders, what you described are complete casuals. No effort required casuals.

I’d say midcore in the WoW sense was people that cleared normal and heroic raids weekly either pug or guild, cleared mythic 10 for the loot box and kept an alt that cleared at least normal and some mythic+. The spectrum probably ranged from guys who cleared normal and some low mythic+ only to people that may dabble in mythic raid progression. Non raiders and LFR only are firmly casual players.

[Alacran]

That's cute: legacy players who haven't even cleared the tier trying to tell people they played more FF14 than everyone else. Shocker, but, you don't have more experience with the game just because you're a legacy player who hasn't engaged with more than half the content that exists in FF14. Go get a fully upgraded Eureka weapon or clear a Savage or solo a deep dungeon before talking more.

Riven Road, was harder than the whole of Eureka. I did my grinds before the nerfs kid, people still complain on the Atma grind i finished before you stopped playing club penguin. This is also only my main character, on my main account, i have two legacy accounts btw.

You can go back to your p2w game you already said you favored, or keep paying you parents money to make silly troll post, idc either way, just don't pretend to stand on some mountain top looking down on others flexing your play time, there's always someone with more experience, clout, & achievements.

[Gethard]

The OP's take on WoW's decline couldn't be more wrong. There are many reason people have left WoW; broken, unbalanced class mechanics; borrowed power systems that take agency away from the player; increasingly bad storytelling, starting with Cataclysm; a community that has become toxic and intolerant of newcomers. WoW isn't casual friendly at all anymore. Add in a lead designer in Ion that really only cares about mythic dungeons and mythic raids, and has made clear his disdain for anyone that doesn't enjoy them.

Crafting armor/weapons is a joke; PvP remains gear dependent and unbalanced; a game world that is designed to frustrate and annoy (Torghast, The Maw); and then you find out the devs are complete jerks and it should come as no surprise that WoW died from all these self-inflicted wounds.

My first few weeks in Eorzea have been a like a breath of fresh air. The differences in the two games are clear and obvious to me now. I enjoy being around friendly folks that have fun playing a game, rather that the miserable sods that, while not being entirely representative of the WoW community, have more than enough presence there to make you want to give up online gaming for good.

It's the casuals in WoW that kept it afloat this long, and the latest developments were the last straw for me. I'm never going back.

[Y2K21]

Finding a full server is always a top priority. You don’t wanna be stuck on a dead or dying WoW server.

You can say that about any game that has servers. No one wants to play on the server/data center with no one playing on it.