World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Guess what, the majority of your playerbase is midcore. Not casual players who have a panic attack when they need to use more than three buttons on their hotbars. Not hardcore players who clear the tier in 16 hours.

Square Enix is on the same trajectory as Blizzard. The sad thing is that the playerbase refuses to see this because of all the blind hype, and this same thing happened in WoW - people couldn't fathom the thought that WoW could be getting worse.

I believe most midcore players will be happy with healers that can do more than two button rotations, for example. People do have brain cells in this game.

FF14 is clearly not catering to the world prog players. So the problem really is the incessant catering of casual players. This will eventually lead to FF14's decline, when you adjust content schedule and delivery to cater to the lowest common denominator, making the traditional midcore crowd dissatisfied and leave. Only reason this is obfuscated is because of all the influx. This game right now is full of new players that have no understanding of the game and have barely participated in the game for more than a tier. And even then I know plenty of WoW players who have quit after literally just one tier because the drought is even worse than in WoW.

People mock WoW's peaks and falls between expansions, but FF14's drops are bigger, sometimes by 50%.

ye sadly they have no reason to care for now. even if we at a low point but patched 6.1 and 6.2 will show more. so far they have lost arc to care for as its hitting strong. it sit on around 1m +- constantly for a month. if the next 2 patches here be dry and boring for he mid core players they move out.

[BokoToloko]

There are many reasons behind WoW downfall but catering to casuals isn't one. The only time it catered to casuals was during WoD and its all too known content drought. it's always funny that people still have the mindset about casual players=bad players. Not spending 2-3 hours a day (which is a lot as you start adding up days) and being bad at playing the game aren't correlated. At all. Player's performance is mostly up to the player willingness to actually improve. Any issues with this are completely up to the player mentality, not the time investment.

Not to mention you're making a completely made up statement about the game's population. SE philosophy has been the same since ARR. And any and all who've been playing . If the majority of the playerbase were actually "midcore", the game wouldn't even have made it past Heavensward. And, as much as I like both WoW and FFXIV. WoW has always been more time consuming and hardcore oriented at any point of both games history. If people left WoW and entered FFXIV, you can be sure it wasn't because of casuals. Because this game has always catered to them far more than WoW ever did.

Also, all comparisons made with Lost Ark fall flat when you remove any nuance to them, because the gameplay in both games is completely different (honestly, they shouldn't even be in a same category, given that Lost Ark strictly follows the ARPG formula and design Diablo and PoE do).Aditionally, it's disingenuous to argue anything about Lost Ark being better/worse than anything else while it's still on the FOMO phase. Not to mention there are a lot more important factors to its success in play starting with the fact is F2P, regardless of P2W features, thus being a more accesible game. No price means anyone can install the game at no risk at all and the company gets more chances to toss a coin for a new player staying and spending money. It doesn't matter if only 50% of the registered users stays when you can get double the amount of registered users than another game with, let's say, 70% ratio of players that stay. Accesibility is a bigger key to success than catering to ANY population will ever be and the price is completely the biggest accesibility factor, other important ones being language and the agency they provide around play time. And both FFXIV and WoW are behind regarding monetary accesibility because the paywall behind them is far greater, given there is the base game+expansions+sub package to pay and the sub won't only deter new people but also returners. Does that mean anything in terms of quality or profitability? Not... necessarily. It just changes the draw needed to get people playing.

All in all, this is just another "new game is this game's killer" post that have been plaguing both these forums and WoW's over the years like a broken watch.

[CStrife912]

Hmm... why not post on your main account instead of "join date: Jul 2021" one?

Because then that would be putting forth that they're full on liars...you just have to 'take their word for it'

[MPNZ]

???

From an outside observation, it just looks like WOW sounds like it's another XEROX while FF14 is designed for a more modern market that made concessions to the needs of an older consumer base with less free time and the large number of an untapped solo playing market. The only issues are currently like: mid-core content, a lack of a skill-based (individual and group) PVP, and explorer unfriendly designs or minimal internally-designed explorer content that regularly is glossed over because it's fetch quest-chains instead of story, or structures designed for achievers. Though, the spaghetti code is most likely going to be a reason for a major push to just replace it with a new game in the long term as the designs for such content need to be designed at an earlier period or it's not cost or time effective to do so

[Pyro2hell3]

I will admit I found the joke about the WoW devs actually caring about any part of their player base (or that there are people dumb enough to still believe they do) pretty funny

[Kolsykol]

I will admit I found the joke about the WoW devs actually caring about any part of their player base (or that there are people dumb enough to still believe they do) pretty funny

All WoW devs care about is their Twitter following and likes.

[Vahlnir]

All WoW devs care about is their Twitter following and likes.

With some of the things I've seen them say on Twitter I would argue that they don't care about that either. lol

[Seafishie]

a crumb of midcore content please

[Raoabolic]

a crumb of midcore content please

*Updates Eureka to have a slightly better exp rate*
You're welcome. :^)