Has anyone quit healing?

[Mapleine]

Honestly I'm still very bullish on the future of the game, and I feel many are, but I will agree on the line in the sand the devs have drawn on healers. There has never been a time to me when I felt the devs were outright ignoring player feedback. Plenty of times where I felt they got it wrong. Or took a long time to get it right. Or went another direction entirely. But never a time where I felt they heard player feedback and went "Yeah, no."

Except now. Healer gameplay is the one time where I feel the dev team truly feels they know better then the player base and are actively pushing back against it. Every other time they have relented, even if it took two years to do so, and never did they draw such a hard line in the sand about it. The thing is though I honestly feel they don't know that pushing that hard back isn't going to get the desired effect. This player base kinda has a track record of never backing down on something and just going with the flow. I doubt this is the first or last time where gonna have a contentious answer from Yoshi-P in a Q and A about healing.

I actually love most of the combat design. I've agreed for years with the idea of removing the punishments and rigidity from MMO combat it and making the game revolve more around the fight so I will be a little off the mark from some of the naysayers.

I also think the greater community is wrong a fair bit as well but this is on the team to be able to sift good feedback from bad, this is a nessecary skill to have nowadays. Expedience being treated like a meme alone kinda sums this up, Expeidence was clearly going to be an insanely good skill from day one.

For me, while this is a big problem, and it has to be fixed a lot of this was amplified by the director acting like a brat.

It's like, four jobs worth of gameplay gameplay is pushing one static ability 97% of a fight and you're talking down to us and treating us like we're crazy. Genuinely felt like I was watching a World of Warcraft Q&A, which is the last thing in the world I am after.

E. Prognosis and especially E. Diagnosis are my two least useful heals next to Pepsis.

E. Diagnosis is great for getting three Toxikon stacks instantly from transition raidbusters!

Other than that...

[Chopstix]

TBH i dont really understand much of the concerns. Like sure WHM needs some love but healers r really not broken at their core. Y do u want flashy DMG buttons on a healer? Go play DPS a bit to scratch ur itch. Y do u want more DMG buttons on a healer? Is the addition of a 123 really gonna solve ur problems? Ppl r clamouring for putting 123 into a one button combo like in PVP, and u can already do that with plugins if u choose. There is serious ability bloat going on and u guys want even more?

I had a discussion with my static and they told me that healing requirements go up in tiers 2 and 3. So i guess this is the easy tier. Might be a better idea to just keep it even across the board, i think their argument was so that more ppl can clear the first tier?

So if u wanna be busy, go play astro. I love that job, but i simply dont have the time to learn to play it at a high lvl as an alt job, so i appreciate there being a more approachable/simple WHM choice.

What i do agree with though is that there just needs to be more dmg going out. In all content. Raidwides literally do nothing in casual content (dungeons, normal raids), u could just heal up with ur standard health regeneration. The only times i noticed HP bars getting chunked to a decent degree is in the last boss of dead ends. I suspect thats gonna go away in a few weeks once the general population has more ilvl.

[Silver-Strider]

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"Healing isn't bad. I can't be bothered to do it but it's not bad."

Let's just remove all the big flashy moves from the game. What's the point of them? You just need to do damage, it doesn't have to look nice or interesting. Hell, let's just make the auto attack animation the only thing you see when you hit your DPS buttons. Your entire combo? Just fluff so let's simplify it by making it so that you only have to hit 1 button to do optimal damage. I mean, it's not as though there isn't a 1 Button SMN macro or a Dragon Kick rotation MNK that does comparable damage to actual rotations. If they can do it, why not just consolidate all jobs to have braindead easy rotations?

BECAUSE IT"S BORING AF!!!!!!! No one wants to have some brain dead 1 button spam rotation. If DPS can complain about some BS like that being in the game, I think we can complain about our lot in life as Healers.

[Rika007]

...Y do u want more DMG buttons on a healer? Is the addition of a 123 really gonna solve ur problems? Ppl r clamouring for putting 123 into a one button combo like in PVP, and u can already do that with plugins if u choose. There is serious ability bloat going on and u guys want even more?

I guarantee you if you right now gave White Mage a 1 > 2 > 3 damage combo and then in response also condensed some of their more useless abilities (ie got rid of cure 1 by just upgrading it to cure two, merged Medica and Medica 2), you would instantly silence half the complaints of the current white mage crowd. Solve all the problems? No. But it would sure as heck liven up 90% of the playtime on the job.

Your other points are just bad faith arguments or not relevant. Plug ins and condensing combos are not something all players want, if anything it is a small minority. Ability bloat is definitely an issue, but that also doesn't mean we should be locking out healers from getting new DPS buttons. You could easily trim and condense half of WHM an SCH's kits, add 3 new DPS buttons to both, and come out on the other side with more hotbar space then we have now. And WHM being simple and approachable does not mean it also can't be engaging for upper level players to play. Black Mage is simple and approachable. Reaper is simple and approachable. Bard is simple and approachable. Red Mage is simple and approachable. Warrior is simple and approachable. None of those jobs spend 90% of a fight pressing only one button.

It is a joke to think that White Mage can't be reworked to be more engaging for upper level players while still being a simple and approachable job for lower level players. In fact the job outright is making healing harder on new players by teaching them bad healing habits that will handicap them if they ever attempt to move into anything beyond regular content.

[Mimilu]

It is a joke to think that White Mage can't be reworked to be more engaging for upper level players while still being a simple and approachable job for lower level players. In fact the job outright is making healing harder on new players by teaching them bad healing habits that will handicap them if they ever attempt to move into anything beyond regular content.

I've been wondering about that for a while: IS WHM a good job for beginners?
Other then being the healer you can start out as/unlock early, what does it really bring to the table to either teaches or eases new healers into how healing works in XIV (vs other, less-scripted games with more random damage spikes).
Its current design just runs counter to how healing is currently like in XIV and the dev's vision of what WHM should be, the GCD healer with the biggest heals.

[Silver-Strider]

I've been wondering about that for a while: IS WHM a good job for beginners?
Other then being the healer you can start out as/unlock early, what does it really bring to the table to either teaches or eases new healers into how healing works in XIV (vs other, less-scripted games with more random damage spikes).
Its current design just runs counter to how healing is currently like in XIV and the dev's vision of what WHM should be, the GCD healer with the biggest heals.

It really isn't. It teaches everything you shouldn't do on a Healer, whether it's relying on Freecure for sustain due to lack of any sustain tools prior to level 52 and to not utilize your oGCDs since the 1st one you get is on a 3 minute CD.

The only thing it has over other healers is that it's straight forward in terms of how it does what but you can get similar results on AST by ignoring the card system at the start and be better off due to AST's cheaper spells and Essential Dignity having a short CD while being available so early on.

[Rilifane]

I've been wondering about that for a while: IS WHM a good job for beginners?
Other then being the healer you can start out as/unlock early, what does it really bring to the table to either teaches or eases new healers into how healing works in XIV (vs other, less-scripted games with more random damage spikes).
Its current design just runs counter to how healing is currently like in XIV and the dev's vision of what WHM should be, the GCD healer with the biggest heals.

It isn't.
WHM teaches you nothing but bad habits. I'm currently leveling WHM again on an alt and its shortcomings start as early as Sastasha.
It has no oGCDs until level 50 nor any passive source of healing and the first oGCD you get is on a 3min CD and sounds too overpowered to just use on a regular pull, enforcing the bad "oGCDs are for emergencies" habit.
It has the worst MP economy of all healers at all level ranges, baiting players into working with weak and "MP efficient" spells and fish for Freecure procs.
It has a clear split between "dps phase" and "heal phase" since everything is on the GCD, making players think you can only ever do one thing at once and thus overheal to be safe because dpsing locks you out of healing.

SCH starts with their first oGCD at level 20 and has a constant source of passive healing with the fairy, making it not only more forgiving to dps but also teaching players early on that both healing and dps can be done at the same time.
SGE starts with their first oGCD at elvel 20 and has their passive healing tied to dps, teaching players that dpsing is encouraged while also making it more forgiving with the Kardia heals.
AST starts with their first extremely strong single target oGCD on a short cooldown at level 15 and gets their additional MP reg and secondary mechanic already at 30, teaching players that using cooldowns is fine because they're back up soon enough.
All three of them acquire new oGCDs at a decent pace and get their additional MP reg during ARR, some of their ARR skills are already either dps neutral or tied to a low dps loss and not mutually exclusive with dpsing. They all get their additional special resource and aoe heals fairly quickly, WHM doesn't get their partial damage refund until 74 and no Rapture until 76 ... because it's cleary too much for smol brain WHM to have an instant Medica at lower levels.

The only thing WHM has is starting at level 1. Which is a moot point since everyone is free to queue for Sastasha and other low level dungeons on a Sage to get comfortable with their kit.
At level 30 SCH has 3 buttons dedicated to healing plus 2 for summoning a fairy of your color preference.
AST has 4 buttons plus 2 buttons for their secondary mechanic.
But clearly having 3-5 buttons dedicated to healing is too difficult to grasp that starting at level 1 is such an advantage, worthy of being the smol brain baby healer for the remaining 89 levels.

[Sebazy]

TBH i dont really understand much of the concerns. Like sure WHM needs some love but healers r really not broken at their core. Y do u want flashy DMG buttons on a healer? Go play DPS a bit to scratch ur itch. Y do u want more DMG buttons on a healer? Is the addition of a 123 really gonna solve ur problems? Ppl r clamouring for putting 123 into a one button combo like in PVP, and u can already do that with plugins if u choose. There is serious ability bloat going on and u guys want even more?

I had a discussion with my static and they told me that healing requirements go up in tiers 2 and 3. So i guess this is the easy tier. Might be a better idea to just keep it even across the board, i think their argument was so that more ppl can clear the first tier?

So if u wanna be busy, go play astro. I love that job, but i simply dont have the time to learn to play it at a high lvl as an alt job, so i appreciate there being a more approachable/simple WHM choice.

What i do agree with though is that there just needs to be more dmg going out. In all content. Raidwides literally do nothing in casual content (dungeons, normal raids), u could just heal up with ur standard health regeneration. The only times i noticed HP bars getting chunked to a decent degree is in the last boss of dead ends. I suspect thats gonna go away in a few weeks once the general population has more ilvl.

I just don’t want to press the same button 120+ times in a 10 minute fight.

How is that hard to grasp?

[Axxion]

I just don’t want to press the same button 120+ times in a 10 minute fight.

How is that hard to grasp?

this is how it feels

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