When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[KizuyaKatogami]

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If you read what i said, based on Hythlo's dialogue, after the 3rd sacrifice they would return to their duties of stewarding the star. Yes we know both the 1st and 2nd set were done voluntarily. My point isnt so much post zodiark as it is prior. She had the knowledge of everything prior to the final days. Emer has to do his duty whether he believes her or not, we see this with our claim, he thinks its crazy but he still has to investigate. He also knows though, that he was mind wiped. Its as simple as her saying hey, this is why you were mind wiped, this is what happened etc.

My point about ironworks was its the same situation as the ancients. They didnt know if their plan would succeed, however they did understand that messing with time could have the side effect of erasing them all and killing everyone in that timeline, but they went along with it anyway. They were willing to sacrifice every single person in that timeline to bring back the wol and reverse the calamity brought unto them. Thats my point.

Turk explicitly said even if they were. Which is what I was responding to.

Yes i understand that which is why the rest of my post was talking about if it was theoretically true. Sorry for the confusion Thing is though, is it just me or did they kind of drop the whole 3rd sacrifice thing. I dont remember it being mentioned much in Endwalker.

[SannaR]

If you read what i said, based on Hythlo's dialogue, after the 3rd sacrifice they would return to their duties of stewarding the star. Yes we know both the 1st and 2nd set were done voluntarily. My point isnt so much post zodiark as it is prior. She had the knowledge of everything prior to the final days. Emer has to do his duty whether he believes her or not, we see this with our claim, he thinks its crazy but he still has to investigate. He also knows though, that he was mind wiped. Its as simple as her saying hey, this is why you were mind wiped, this is what happened etc.

My point about ironworks was its the same situation as the ancients. They didnt know if their plan would succeed, however they did understand that messing with time could have the side effect of erasing them all and killing everyone in that timeline, but they went along with it anyway. They were willing to sacrifice every single person in that timeline to bring back the wol and reverse the calamity brought unto them. Thats my point.

What does going back to being the stewards of the star mean though? Does it mean going OK folks we've been saved from w/e that was by Zodiark time to just pretend it didn't happen. Let's ignore that we found out that a few of the currents that are needed for life to do its thing had thinned out. Or do they go huh maybe we should make sure we're safe. Cause even if Azem wasn't on board we still should take a look at that and make sure our math was correct.

Emet still could have listened and still went so why did you decide to say screw the test? He didn't exactly deal with the loss of either friend. Heck even after the sundering I wonder why they didn't try and get some form of answer. As that would have been the best next time. From the Watcher's records at least the ones we were able to read they never asked them or try to understand why she kept Zodiark whole. Yes, it would have been great pre-sundering if more people could have been told what was really going down. Or that she thought saying screw Herme's and his test even post Zodiark was an option. Running away seems to have always been plan B, but the gain enough resolve and the know how to fight Meteion was always plan A.

Just because she didn't tell anyone there's a collective of murdery through despair birds that need to be dealt with doesn't mean people wouldn't have chosen the run away option. It's like how Le' Cie work in XIII. They get told oh hey this is your mission so go do that. If you don't you'll turn into a mindless monster that goes around killing everything. Only on a rare occasion did a Le'Cie say screw my mission I'm not going to do it cause it goes against my principles and not end up being a mindless monster killing everything.

[KizuyaKatogami]

What does going back to being the stewards of the star mean though? Does it mean going OK folks we've been saved from w/e that was by Zodiark time to just pretend it didn't happen. Let's ignore that we found out that a few of the currents that are needed for life to do its thing had thinned out. Or do they go huh maybe we should make sure we're safe. Cause even if Azem wasn't on board we still should take a look at that and make sure our math was correct.

Emet still could have listened and still went so why did you decide to say screw the test? He didn't exactly deal with the loss of either friend. Heck even after the sundering I wonder why they didn't try and get some form of answer. As that would have been the best next time. From the Watcher's records at least the ones we were able to read they never asked them or try to understand why she kept Zodiark whole. Yes, it would have been great pre-sundering if more people could have been told what was really going down. Or that she thought saying screw Herme's and his test even post Zodiark was an option. Running away seems to have always been plan B, but the gain enough resolve and the know how to fight Meteion was always plan A.

Just because she didn't tell anyone there's a collective of murdery through despair birds that need to be dealt with doesn't mean people wouldn't have chosen the run away option. It's like how Le' Cie work in XIII. They get told oh hey this is your mission so go do that. If you don't you'll turn into a mindless monster that goes around killing everything. Only on a rare occasion did a Le'Cie say screw my mission I'm not going to do it cause it goes against my principles and not end up being a mindless monster killing everything.

I’m not saying everyone would have believed her, but given Emet’s status in the convocation and Hythlo as a very well respected member along with Venat being a previous Azem, the three of them hold a LOT of weight, and i find it hard to believe at the very least the convocation wouldn’t hear out her plea, especially since she even had a tracker on Meteion. As far as the stewards of the star, i’d imagine it’s just what they’ve always done, doing things for the betterment of the star. The thing is they didn’t even know after the fact what caused it, they thought Zodiark got rid of it and that’s that. It’s Venat that kept the secrets which is the problem here.