When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[KariTheFox]

The issue is that "pyschopathic genocide loving Venat who killed her own people because she hated thier culture so much" is not really a valid or insightful reading of the text. It requires asbcribing motivations and character traits to Venat that are not there. It can be your headcanon, sure. But it's not supported by anything in the game.

If you want to debate the morality of the sundering, you can do that. But it becomes wholly unproductive when all the discussiom keeps coming back to is mudslinging against Venat.

Also we're not talking about the Garleans or Emet-Selch right now, why does the fact that in unrelated conversations some third parties said things about Garleans/Emet-Selch have any bearing on how this conversation is conducted?

[KizuyaKatogami]

The issue is that "pyschopathic genocide loving Venat who killed her own people because she hated thier culture so much" is not really a valid or insightful reading of the text. It requires asbcribing motivations and character traits to Venat that are not there. It can be your headcanon, sure. But it's not supported by anything in the game.

If you want to debate the morality of the sundering, you can do that. But it becomes wholly unproductive when all the discussiom keeps coming back to is mudslinging against Venat.

Also we're not talking about the Garleans or Emet-Selch right now, why does the fact that in unrelated conversations some third parties said things about Garleans/Emet-Selch have any bearing on how this conversation is conducted?

Because i’m being told not to give certain attributes to a character, when this was done to said characters i mentioned and no one bat an eye. Imo there’s a bit to support her absolutely snapping. Between her walk of shame and the 180 her character does whilst also contradicting her own preaching. It seems she had a bit of a mental break and that’s if i’m being generous. It’s not much of a leap when you piece together the lies,secrets, and manipulation she’s done over the gamess lifespan. I wouldn’t say it’s unproductive. it’s getting a discussion going, and if enough people are critiquing the character. then clearly there is something wrong with said character. Whether it be the writing or whatnot, but people have already pointed out the flaws of this, for example the very obvious bias towards her that the writing takes.

[Jandor]

Also we're not talking about the Garleans or Emet-Selch right now, why does the fact that in unrelated conversations some third parties said things about Garleans/Emet-Selch have any bearing on how this conversation is conducted?

It wasn't even that prevalent. You'd think every other thread was derailed with it with how often it's brought up these days.