Bring back Aggro, resource management, bring back consequences!

[Marxam]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if in future expansions, enmity was just baked into the tank mastery trait and they changed tank stances to be DPS stances because newer players can't seem to grasp the idea of pressing one button to gain aggro.

I think the game moved past the point of 2.0-4.2 tank design. At this point I would just like to see auto cleaves from bosses again to teach dps to respect the front of the boss and to teach tanks how to face the boss away from the party.

Multiple things are to blame with how easy and simple tanking has become at the cost of accessibility but I think better tool tips would help as the first step. An instance at like lvl 30 that "tests" you current job role would go a long way in acclimating newer players. Nothing crazy just a simple game of hold aggro and keep mobs away from a target.

[Undeadfire]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if in future expansions, enmity was just baked into the tank mastery trait and they changed tank stances to be DPS stances because newer players can't seem to grasp the idea of pressing one button to gain aggro.

Tell that to cure 1 spammers who still insist Freecure is good.

[Sauteed]

I think the game moved past the point of 2.0-4.2 tank design. At this point I would just like to see auto cleaves from bosses again to teach dps to respect the front of the boss and to teach tanks how to face the boss away from the party.

Indeed it moved "past" that.. or regressed. But semantics.

Onto the 2nd thing you mention here.. I actually would like to see more non floor marked bosses like pre-nerf coincounter from Aurum vale but the fact they implemented a "nerf" to him like like 8 years later tells me it's "cool" to blow engaging content that makes you desire to pay to attention out the window for the sake of people who are going to play the game for a month and unsubscribe because random "asian mmo grinder" came out and MMORPG.com said it's the greatest thing they ever got a chance to play because screenshots. With double thumbs up editor approval.

I'd like to see more bizarro "boss" encounter design. Don't be afraid to get a little weird. And when I'm saying weird, imagine having to fight a kraken style boss underwater, and people that are sufficiently leveled as monk get the ability to use specific actions to restrain tentacles, so the dps have an easier time dps'ing.. or things like that.

Instead what we get is extremely telegraphed hur durr yawnfest for 7-12 mins per "queue". yeah occasionally I derp step into yellow markers in the floor after drinking like 9 beers or something on the weekend but, they willingly show they gut content that's been there for nearly a decade just totally randomly and out of the blue, while going forward and making everything in a dungeon as extremely boring as humanly possible. This trend will continue, and people like me will continue to bitch. Nothing will change except some new tier of making this the most mind numblingly dumb ass experience possible will come to fruition. And people will continue to praise the 'accessibilty" of the game. I mean if I wanted mind numbing non-interactivity I'd watch CSI or something dumbassness on the tele. I want to be mentally stimulated and engage in "content" if i'm gonna play a video game. Not laugh because I didn't move out of an aoe and took like 7% overall health damage from the main boss of a dungeon.

[Shurrikhan]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if in future expansions, enmity was just baked into the tank mastery trait and they changed tank stances to be DPS stances because newer players can't seem to grasp the idea of pressing one button to gain aggro.

I mean, I'd go for that anyways. One less button-press of bloat outside of multi-tank content in which I'll have more burst than the other tank but don't actually want to tank for... reasons? (And even that could just be handled with Provoke leaving a persisting enmity modifier, with only one instance of the debuff possible per target. Voila.)

Generally, we'd less often have reason to have our enmity mods off than on, so making the more commonly useful state the passive and the more situational the choice seems plenty reasonable.

[MerlinCross]

I mean, I'd go for that anyways. One less button-press of bloat outside of multi-tank content in which I'll have more burst than the other tank but don't actually want to tank for... reasons? (And even that could just be handled with Provoke leaving a persisting enmity modifier, with only one instance of the debuff possible per target. Voila.)

Generally, we'd less often have reason to have our enmity mods off than on, so making the more commonly useful state the passive and the more situational the choice seems plenty reasonable.

I don’t agree with the sentiment, but I agree currently there’s no point anymore. Just put the fork in it and call it.

I mean at this point we only have this pseudo aggro because “oh we need to make sure the tank is the one eating damage, cause trinity”.

Through if they make the stance give increased DPS like what Marxam suggested, haven’t we just Gone in a circle somewhat? Both tanks are going to slam that DPS gain MT or OT so why have the stance at all?