Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[LittleChickenNugget]

ITT: People who are report happy are offended that OP stated they can become report happy too.

[Skivvy]

ITT: People who are report happy are offended that OP stated they can become report happy too.

Need to work on your deduction skills a bit more if that's what you're taking from it all.

[Kaurhz]

ITT: People who are report happy are offended that OP stated they can become report happy too.

No people are just not painfully oblivious to the simple fact that the OP spent a good part of the original post bashing people for being too coddled and whining about every little slight, whilst then subsequently stating that they shall do the same.

I don't care if they're report happy afterwards, and arguably neither does anyone else. You need to have an incredible amount of irony points to write something like this. There's a particular word associated with people that will wilfully engage in the same behaviour that they're noted for criticising other people about.

Personally I'm not report trigger happy. The only time I use the report function is at genuine discomfort and not for the sake of it. Just have a certain accountability behind your actions when someone inevitably does report the behaviour, and don't criticise people for the self-same behaviour that you're going to exhibit or engage in. It's really just that simple. It's very bold of you to assume that people are report happy versus people just wanting some level of accountability behind their own actions where appropriate.

[SturmChurro]

No people are just not painfully oblivious to the simple fact that the OP spent a good part of the original post bashing people for being too coddled and whining about every little slight (..)

I don't care if they're report happy afterwards, and arguably neither does anyone else. You need to have an incredible amount of irony points to write something like this. There's a particular word associated with people that will wilfully engage in the same behaviour that they're noted for criticising other people about.

(..) Just have a certain accountability behind your actions when someone inevitably does report the behaviour, and don't criticise people for the self-same behaviour that you're going to exhibit or engage in. It's really just that simple. It's very bold of you to assume that people are report happy versus people just wanting some level of accountability behind their own actions where appropriate.

Am I wrong though? Like, I mean...

No, no. I haven't actually started reporting anyone in-game for cursing or whatever else. Like I'd actually realistically bother doing that. As I have said time and time again, it was me venting. I was being hyperbolic. I guess I have to put angry face emojis, and whatever else whenever I am being sarcastic or whatever. Speaking on that, this forum has a severe lack of good emojis, unfortunate really. I like emojis.

How can I have "accountability" for my actions when I have no clue what I even did. Was it from me leaving, disconnecting then leaving, no tank stance, "not healing", not having raised somebody?? I have no clue what exactly is being misconstrued as "griefing". I did not go out and intend to "grief" anybody. It's ridiculous. I am confident, because I know I am innocent.

[Kaurhz]

Am I wrong though? Like, I mean...

No, no. I haven't actually started reporting anyone in-game for cursing or whatever else. Like, I'd actually realistically bother doing that. As I have said time and time again, it was me venting. I was being hyperbolic. I guess I have to put angry face emojis, and whatever else whenever I am being sarcastic or whatever. Speaking on that, this forum has a severe lack of good emojis, unfortunate really. I like emojis.

How can I have "accountability" for my actions when I have no clue what I even did. Was it from me leaving, disconnecting then leaving, no tank stance, "not healing", not having raised somebody?? I have no clue what exactly is being misconstrued as "griefing". I did not go out and intend to grief anybody. It's ridiculous. I am confident, because I know I am innocent.

Whether you're incorrect or not and whether I agree with you is irrelevant, and whether you were only merely venting or not is irrelevant. It shown a willingness and to many in this thread arguably only paint you in the 1 light you QUITE clearly dislike being painted.

The only thing I would recommend if you care that much is to file for a data request. They are practically obligated. Unfortunately GMs don't really expand because I would argue they have a very strictly policy, and arguably something that relates to how they use and process data on people. For every report you're dealing with the data of multiple people. Which to people not trained can be in a dangerous position to be in.

Like I said in my original post, just revisit your own actions in the past and think if you could have done something better. If you leave abruptly and disconnect several times (at very inconvenient times) then simply apologise for the instability, if it isn't feasible then communicate that it is better you leave and someone else replaces you . Communication is key and can alleviate a lot of the issues that can be construed as griefing. If you feel eager then review your actions in relation to the Terms of Service and see what can be construed as griefing. Don't just insist that you did absolutely nothing wrong and thus innocent (regardless of whether you are or not). People have been using this excuse on practically every forum since bans became a thing, and more often than not the devil was in the details, and the details that until asked for evidence they so conveniently left out, so there's a negative association there. Don't just insist you're innocent. Chill out, look at it rationally, think what you can do better, keep that in mind in the future and then if you feel the need make a thread with actual issues to try and spark productive debate. Ironically there's already one in your post that I agree with quite a bit.

Is it unfortunate stuff like this exists, sure. But then this comes from a place wherein people use very underhanded tactics to get their own way, so in this regard the playerbase is just reaping what they've sown through their own actions in the past. People speak of "Well I don't wanna lose my account" vibes, and whilst I would agree, in the same vein if rules such as this are going to deter some of the behaviours that were prominent when people got duties they didn't like then I for one toast for that.

[Denji]

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you spent a huge chunk of the thread insisting you did nothing wrong while also listing all the ways you punish players you feel should know better, even if they're sprouts. if anything this thread incriminated you more than exonerated.

even if you were to ever find out i'm not convinced you would accept it. your issues seem more fundamental aka you just... don't seem to be a good person in general. of course my opinion is based solely on your actions in this thread and what information from this report/GM you have shared with us so i may very well be wrong here but, yeah. if you're wondering where to start i think you should start with some introspection before moving onto any hard evidence that would allow you (or anyone else) to point fingers.

[Senn]

I honestly don't have a specific number, it really depends strictly upon the context. I also ask myself how I would feel, i can remember my first DR run (OI) and am eternally grateful to the very classy people who raised me without complaint. I can only assume that they could see that I really was doing my best.

I think that's a good way to look at it. Generally you can tell who is actually trying and who isn't. You would think if someone was putting zero effort in and wanted a free ride, they'd like being dead on the ground so they don't have to do anything.
If people are complaining about no raises, it probably means they are frustrated at not getting to participate.

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this person is speaking true facts