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    Just saying, if you guys spent this much effort into wanting Viera/Hrothgar’s fixed than you do bitching at the OP in this thread; we would’ve had the hairstyle/hat problem sorted by now.

    I can’t believe majority here are so unbelievably hellbent on arguing with the OP. Use your time on the forum to push for something that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    Just saying, if you guys spent this much effort into wanting Viera/Hrothgar’s fixed than you do bitching at the OP in this read; we would’ve had the hairstyle/hat problem sorted by now.

    I can’t believe majority here are so unbelievably hellbent on arguing with the OP. Use your time on the forum to push for something that matters.
    But this is far more amusing than shouting at deaf ears to support a cause I do not care for. Or even one I do care for, because in the end, deaf ears don't listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    Just saying, if you guys spent this much effort into wanting Viera/Hrothgar’s fixed than you do bitching at the OP in this thread; we would’ve had the hairstyle/hat problem sorted by now.
    If we will keep complaining about the thing SE knows and acknowledges, we will make them fix this problem, they said they will fix overtime huh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh View Post
    But this is far more amusing than shouting at deaf ears to support a cause I do not care for. Or even one I do care for, because in the end, deaf ears don't listen.
    It takes barely a minute to type out on a popular thread regarding the issue why it’s unfair, your disappointment in SE’s neglect and why it should be prioritised.

    You’re shouting on deaf ears trying to change the OP’s methods on their gameplay, let them play how they choose. Instead of being self righteous just let this thread die and help others out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    It takes barely a minute to type out on a popular thread regarding the issue why it’s unfair, your disappointment in SE’s neglect and why it should be prioritised.

    You’re shouting on deaf ears trying to change the OP’s methods on their gameplay, let them play how they choose. Instead of being self righteous just let this thread die and help others out.
    And it'd be about as useful as it is to go to the Buraq Wall and pray up a storm about real life issues. Neither SE or the wall are going to know you even exist.

    As for letting OP play the way they want; even the wall (seemingly) punished that playstyle, and yet they are not repentant, instead doubling down. That's not deaf ears, it's stubborn ears. Far more entertaining.
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    You can imagine how SE would be reluctant to introduce accessible hard m+ style dungeons because of how the TOS could be used and abused - imagine how overwhelmed the GMs would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoosa View Post
    You can imagine how SE would be reluctant to introduce accessible hard m+ style dungeons because of how the TOS could be used and abused - imagine how overwhelmed the GMs would be?
    It'll never happen because their server infrastructure is very bad. I play from the UK and had 90ms from there to the Canadian based EU servers. Most games that's really good but in FF14 you can miss telegraphs by a small amount. When they moved to mainland Europe I got 50ms and that issue disappeared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    It'll never happen because their server infrastructure is very bad. I play from the UK and had 90ms from there to the Canadian based EU servers. Most games that's really good but in FF14 you can miss telegraphs by a small amount. When they moved to mainland Europe I got 50ms and that issue disappeared.
    Ouch that sounds painful.

    In addition it must be very hard sometimes for a GM to distinguish a genuine offence a not. I can see they might have to deal with:

    1. A scenario where the fault and issue is obvious.
    2. A situation where the player reporting thinks a rule was broken but actually wasn’t - think that is what the OP is arguing here.
    3. A malicious report.

    I think two and three would be very hard to distinguish and it makes judgement difficult for a GM - I don’t envy them.

    If I was in the OP’s situation and believed I did nothing wrong and the strike was unfair, I think I’d be robustly arguing against it too.
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    The last person I ever reported was a healer 'AFK'. I don't remember who it was but they called them out and mentioned are they going to stop AFK again, as they will report them because everyone was dying simply because of non-healing, and other healer was struggling so it wasn't hard to tell. It's also an instance where WHM doesn't really have notable ogcds. We also wiped on a boss so that probably led up to all this stuff. Raid calculators can determine how much healing is happening just as much as damage.

    The main reason for the report was the talking back that occurred to that person in party chat, they ended up saying they would play how they want, basically things that only proved the point correct but also how toxic they were. Had they picked up the pace quietly nothing would have happened. I guess someone got caught and their fight or flight got triggered.
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    What a fricken thread! Poking about the TOS and uncertain if was mentioned buuuuut;

    "Warning" is a penalty issued for minor violations for which a more severe penalty than a Caution is required. As with a Caution, depending on the nature of the violation, an instruction for improvement may be given with regard to the violation. Please follow any instructions to prevent further account actions in the future.
    These lines both seem rather important and imply that the GM team should endeavor to offer information to the offender when possible. It does not appear that they do this ever? Perhaps this is new addition to TOS and GM team is unfamiliar still? For something as ambiguous as "grief tactics" it would appear the GM team should be offering that advice as mentioned above. Or are taking the may part too to mean never ever never.

    Further within the TOS;
    If a Game Master (GM) gives an instruction based on the User Agreement and/or other rules, failure to follow the instruction is a violation and a penalty will be issued. If you are given an instruction by a GM, please follow this immediately.
    It does appear that a GM is allowed to inform players of what in TOS they violated and in some ways are encouraged to do so. Why else would these clauses be within TOS otherwise?

    Searching grief tactics yielded nothing so am assuming this is in reference to "Obstruction of play".

    If I were a guessing Lala would say it is likely this; Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
    Or; Intentional leaving or disconnection

    Both seem to imply Square searches for pattern of behavior before actioning the account if this assists at'all. Any stating that a GM will never or should never inform a player of what they had done wrong are false based upon the TOS as it is written.

    Best of the luck! Would like to know outcome myself because for past two weeks we have been having intermittent issues remaining connected only when within dungeons. If friends or me are reported for this then warned I would be most displeased if could never appeal. Everything is stable in overworld when doing story stuffs, lag only occurs within duties and is completely fricken random. Trace routes confirm issue is with NTT Sacramento nodes so nothing we can fix.
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