Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[VelKallor]

If a new player is only 1/24 or 1/4, they are in the minority and people are not obligated to automatically conform to their will, especially during *minute(s)* long cutscenes that should not be in the middle of battle instances in the first place.

You are cordially invited to write to YoshiP and his team to tell them that. Seeing that this game has been highly successful, seeing that Crystal Tower is essential to not only ARR but consecutive expacs, id say that your opinion holds zero weight.

They are in that scenario depending on a majority of others who have already done the run, likely multiple times, and the greatest thing about it is that they are safe as long as they do not exit the cutscene.

Doesnt matter if they are or not. You are DELIBERATELY choosing not to exercise some basic manners and patience. Ill also add that if this continues, I wont be surprised if CT DOES wind up with those barriers prior to the cutscenes ending.

If that does happen, guess whose fault that will be.

YoshiP has said again and again that the new players experience matters MASSIVELY to him AND HIS TEAM who spent years putting that together.

Ill go back to my original point. A few minutes isnt going to be a major problem, so exercising a little common sense, some basic courtesy isnt much to ask.

[Alaray]

Why am i defensive? I legit am chilling here, sorry if it comes across that way. Might just be the way I write. Am at work so i'm trying to write fast

I'm just saying - you want people to give you favors but don't give the favor of just paying attention back.
Orange/whatever your colors are, are more eyecatching than white, yes.

But it's also not ONLY in the system message, it's a flying text, it also shows above people and on their names if they do.
It IS clearly communicated and can easily be seen if you pay a little bit of attention.

You want something but give not paying attention to the ring staying longer than it does when everybody auto skips, not looking at your party list, seeing somebody watching cutscene, not looking at people to see that they may be (if they are not in your alliance, which is harder to see, but the ring thing is still a thing) in return.

Which is also part... of you know, social activities? Respecting each other by giving at least a smidgen as much as you're asking of them? Others shouldnt give more than you're willing to give back in return.

Just ask, man.

Like. I didn't honestly think that /this/ is a controversial point. It shouldn't be, really. It should be a no-brainer.

[VelKallor]

There is also a message at the start of the instance that there are new players in the instance.

[Ardeth]

There is also a message at the start of the instance that there are new players in the instance.

Also the icon above their head is a dead give away as well for cutscenes, but people are selfish.

[aveyond-dreams]

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I do not consider being forced to wait on 1/24 people to sit through a minutes long cutscenes to constitute reasonable etiquette expectations. Do not put cutscenes of that length in raids and I will be more than willing to allow for a maximum of 10 seconds to play out before pulling in a 24 man instance.

By all means put up barriers to keep people in alliance raid roulette cutscenes. It will do nothing to encourage me to set foot in that roulette more often given the disparity between rewards vs time invested, just like how I don't often do MSQ roulette anymore. Trust levelling is now the meta for maximum exp gains and tomes are irrelevant to me as a crafter when it comes to gear. I do not depend on others for tome gear or levelling progression exclusively, so if I have to seek other methods of progression I am more than capable of doing so.

[Cheremia]

Just ask, man.

Like. I didn't honestly think that /this/ is a controversial point. It shouldn't be, really. It should be a no-brainer.

I'm not going to say that you don't, man. They could just make that text pop up better colorwise since it can be hard to see. Not even denying that.

It just shouldn't be needed if the game tells you and most people say that they are new anyways.

Paying attention should also be a no-brainer tho, people not paying attention got me wiped way too often in week 3ish Alliances more than new people

Not directly pointed at you, dont misunderstand:
It's just really questionable if old people tell new people that their experience literally isn't worth it at all because THEY have done it SO many times that THEY just want to get it over with because they have no time to play! 3/23 people aren't new, so screw that new one, they are not the majority of this group, screw their enjoyment! I got mine day1 of new content so everybody else doesn't matter!
And i get told that me thinking that they are "respect for me, not for thee" is depressing way of thinking if this exact statement is still being clearly said as such. It's being stated over and over.

You play for your own enjoyment but you can't respect "social activities" (sorry from taking that from you, really not directly directed at you) and basically doing nothing for it in return, just because it's only "you" in a multiplayer "team" game.
If only you matter, then it can't be a social thing, since nobody else matters.


I dont run MSQ roulette at all btw.

[VelKallor]

I do not consider being forced to wait on 1/24 people to sit through a minutes long cutscenes to constitute reasonable etiquette expectations. Do not put cutscenes of that length in raids and I will be more than willing to allow for a maximum of 10 seconds to play out before pulling in a 24 man instance.

It is usually a lot more than one person, and even if it IS just one, whats the hurry? Whats the rush? Wheres the fire? Got a date? Why are you in such a hurry? Why is waiting a few minutes for people to enjoy cutscenes such a big problem for you?

I will be more than willing to allow for a maximum of 10 seconds to play out before pulling in a 24 man instance.

The fact you dont care for the needs or wants of the other 23 people in that instance says a lot. This game is not just about what YOU want.

Trust levelling is now the meta for maximum exp gains

Trust wont work for 24 mans and you know that.

[aveyond-dreams]

It is usually a lot more than one person

My experience playing this game for the last 8 years directly contradicts this statement.

The fact you dont care for the needs or wants of the other 23 people in that instance says a lot

The last twelve months has seen a huge uptick in new players, the last three months has seen a DELUGE of new players to the point they had to stop selling the game.

You...didnt know?

The majority of alliance raid instances both before and after the increase in new players are still mostly composed of people who have already cleared the raid after 1-2 weeks post launch. Waiting for minutes long cutscenes to play by that point gets old really fast. They should not be in battle instances, I've been pretty consistent about my opinion regarding this.

Trust wont work for 24 mans and you know that.

Technology continues to advance and I look forward to the day that they somehow manage to accomplish this. I would welcome the opportunity to practice more difficult alliance raid mechanics from later raids without being a hindrance to real players in duty finder, since I can only get so much out of a guide vs practicing myself.

[VelKallor]

My experience playing this game for the last 8 years directly contradicts this statement.

The last twelve months has seen a huge uptick in new players, the last three months has seen a DELUGE of new players to the point they had to stop selling the game.

You...didnt know?

[Saraide]

You are cordially invited to write to YoshiP and his team to tell them that. Seeing that this game has been highly successful, seeing that Crystal Tower is essential to not only ARR but consecutive expacs, id say that your opinion holds zero weight.



Doesnt matter if they are or not. You are DELIBERATELY choosing not to exercise some basic manners and patience. Ill also add that if this continues, I wont be surprised if CT DOES wind up with those barriers prior to the cutscenes ending.

If that does happen, guess whose fault that will be.

YoshiP has said again and again that the new players experience matters MASSIVELY to him AND HIS TEAM who spent years putting that together.

Ill go back to my original point. A few minutes isnt going to be a major problem, so exercising a little common sense, some basic courtesy isnt much to ask.

Your proposed solution to avert an unskippable cutscene per alliance raid (the one on entry is essentially already unskippable because the barrier wont drop anyway until everyone has finished watching) is to pretend it already is unskippable. That's not averting anything.

If the time it takes is such a small deal for people to wait, then it also has to be a small deal for people to miss that portion of the fight. You cant have it both ways here.