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    Player dapperfaffer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Is it? Do male characters get "she" as well? All other mentions of Azem are he/she because it reflects your character.

    And found the answer to my own question. It changes to "he" on a male character.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOx2n6DRrEw
    Ok. So lets change it to : Its clear that Azem is male at the time Pandaemonium occurs which would indicate that Pandaemonium occurs during the time after Venat was in the position of Azem and after the WoL goes to Elpis.

    Intro to Venat and mention of Azem
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6ftXitvTM female change
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrnYFuHXo38 male change

    But on both those situations, the intro to Venat and Themis, the reference to gender as Azem is in relation to the Player Character. So which is it? This is what I meant when I said misdirection. You can't have two presentations of story with switching gender reference to Azem as it distorts the information being given based on the gender of the PC.
    After Elpis consideration
    If the PC is male, Azem is male, Themis can potentially be Azem since he fulfills the qualifier of being Male and is post Venat as Azem. And Pandaemonium takes place after Elpis.
    If the PC is female, Azem is female, and Themis can't potentially be Azem since he doesn't fulfill the qualifier of being female and is post Venat as Azem. And Pandaemonium takes place after Elpis.

    So which is it? How do we bring those 2 points into alignment where we don't have a strong contradiction: Pandaemonium takes place before Elpis, occurs during the time Venat is Azem, or it takes place after Elpis.
    Before Elpis consideration
    If the PC is male, Azem is male, and Themis can't potentially be Azem since he fulfills the qualifier of being Male and is pre/during Venat as Azem. And Pandaemonium takes place before Elpis, or during Venat as Azem.
    If the PC is female, Azem is female, and Themis can't potentially be Azem since she doesn't fulfill the qualifier of being female and is pre/during Venat as Azem. And Pandaemonium takes place before Elpis, or during Venat as Azem. (see what I did with my post ;p)

    Which is also kinda what I mean about headcanoning. The only way to go Themis is Elidibus is from a perspective that doesn't exist based on the story or narrative provided so far. As the only PC that is affected to cause that perception is females. So yes, Kizuya I'm more then well aware that I am "headcanoning", that would be why I'm trying to discuss it. Well, should say was. enjoy your chamber.

    Contextual reference:
    That what we are being given in terms of representation and identity of the WoL as Azem, and the Identity of Themis as a member of the convocation are deliberate misdirection's by the writers.
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    Last edited by dapperfaffer; 02-09-2022 at 11:45 AM. Reason: editing my edits