What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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With input from the head of the Bureau managing creations and the greatest sorcerer to living. Both were amazed.

I already responded why those creations wouldn't make it to the Bureau, and Emet needed a guide through Elpis and didn't know the researchers personally nor their work. "The greatest sorcerer to living" didn't even know the person he was gonna try to convince to take a seat next to him in the Convocation.

Even children toys were submitted though. Creations as a whole are very tightly controlled in Amaurot, especially as it was one of the few things that the Ancients had creative control over.

Like I said, they were ENCOURAGED to submit their creations and I don't recall them having an OBLIGATION to do so. And in the case of the children toys you mention they would benefit kids in their society, meanwhile we stablished the entelechies would have no practical applications so they would be more personal projects, without a need of being shared with society at large.

But to the contrary She repeatedly refers to us with reverence and admiration, to the point that She saw us as an inspiration. Being maternal as well doesn’t denote viewing anyone as lesser. Mothers all the time respect who their children become, and indeed remain maternal even if they feel they’ve been “surpassed” by them. My point is that the faith she had when she sundered the world was not in some nebulous unconnected group in the future, but rather in the people she sundered and their descendants.

What I mean is that when she talks of the people, ourselves included, she doesn't see us as the ancients we all were once, not even us who once held a seat in the convocation, and the same one she once held. She speaks to us from a perspective of being our "creator". Venat didn't create the ancient humanity, she was just another person who once walked among the rest, so everybody else were her equals. But now she no longer refers to anyone in that way. Rather, she now refers to everybody as her creations despite us supposedly being the same humanity. Why would that be if this was "the same humanity" she didn't create? If humanity was merely transformed and not created by her why would she be the mother?

She’s talking about the Ancients. That they, despite being molded by a harsher world, would overcome despair and find meaning for themselves. That’s the point of this disagreement and the reason I’m arguing over it. Not that there’s no difference at all, but that even with those differences they are still members of the same overall group, humanity.

Like I also said earlier, she changes her tune about referring to us and to "humanity" depending on whatever narrative they were going for in the particular scene. Acknowledge she's inconsistent, she'll talk about mankind and "our journey" when that sounds like a prettier, more poetic narrative for defeating the ultimate baddie with all the power and memories and love and friendship and sacrifice from all the entities who live and once lived upon the star and at other times she'll make the distinction between us to justify her sundering.

That doesn’t preclude the both at all. Sundering the world to diminish Zodiarks power can simply be the biggest reason and the thing that made the act necessary, with the other potential benefits being that it would allow better control of Dynamis, and that it may prepare humanity for the struggles ahead. The
last two can simply be “this isn’t at all what I wanted and if Zodiark wasn’t here I wouldn’t do it, but these are benefits that may help in our fight.”

First of all you quoted the part that I scratched. Second, yes the act she was """forced""" to make could also fit a 2nd purpose but don't claim that 2nd purpose is WHY you did it when you were really forced by the first.

Perhaps this cuts to the core of the disagreement. I simply do not see much evidence to suggest that Hermes could’ve been easily replaced, or replaced at all without compromising the Ancients ability to respond to the Final Days. The conversation with the Watcher reads very different to me, heavily focusing on Hermes’ contributions as it did. Combined with the conversations with Elidibus, the researchers at Elpis and Venats own perspective, Hermes is clearly special, dare I say one of kind.

Because until the very end they weren't aware that there was a conscious entity causing the Final Days, and an entity that one of their own created, as oppossed to let's say a natural anomaly completely unkown to them. And since they had something super important to take care of, namely a phenomena that could erradicate them, I can see researchers abandoning their hobby projects about an impractical energy source and putting all their efforts into finding a solution. But do you honestly believe if they had known that dynamis was at the core of the problem and that one of their own creations was responsible they wouldn't have put all those efforts into its research?