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  1. #261
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    Seera1024's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    That's not really the problem. It's that most of these meeting scenes are extremely dull and don't actually add anything. There's little to no actual character development, new information, or anything dramatic happening. It's an excuse to recap what everyone knows thus far, and formulate some sort of plan, which isn't innately a problem, but they happen so often in the story, and they're generally so dry that it gets tiresome. It's partly the way the story frames them that make them boring. They're extremely low energy, and the writers rarely make use of them to have something interesting happen. Like, I can predict exactly what's going to happen the vast majority of the time. It's just "lets have everyone go meet in a room, barely animate, recount what we've learned thus far, plan our next move" and absolute nothing else happens except in rare instances. I genuinely think it's partly a crutch for the animators to get away with not having to animate, because characters standing in a room talking is the easiest thing to do as an animator, especially since the character models already have a wide variety of pre-existing emotes they can just use, along with it just being plain easy to write.

    It's just lazy storytelling. For example, I just read a scene in a novel I'm currently reading of characters in a room talking where a lot actually happened, it was filled with drama, plot twists, character development, and actually moved the story forward on top of all of that, in only 9 pages. It was an incredibly interesting chapter and I couldn't put it down until it was over. The problem with most meeting scenes in the MSQ is that nothing actually happens. Characters just stand, recount what we know already, and make new plans. It's the most dry writing imaginable. But were they to do a scene like I just described from the book I'm reading, it would be A LOT of animating. So ofc, it's easy to just plop characters in a room and have them just stand around and I suspect thats the main reason they do it. But god it is ever tiresome, but fortunately these kind of scenes aren't super commonplace, not since ARR anyway, which was almost entirely just that.
    Some of those meetings may be more for the player benefit than to move the story along or develop the character. Let's get characters together to summarize the last plot points since it may have been awhile since the player last played and they may need a refresher. Like how shows will do a "last time on..." section that will include relevant pieces from past episodes.

    Especially if they fall at the beginning of an expansion or patch.
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  2. #262
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    Violet_Galaxy's Avatar
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    Mimi Peach
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    Y'shtola is boring af and should of died in ShB.
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  3. #263
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    Sieglinde Hresvelg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy View Post
    Y'shtola is boring af and should of died in ShB.
    Being the poster girl for FFXIV give you great immunity, would say more so or even with WoL. Every time she joins us in dire moments expect nothing of consequence to happen. Not really into the know it all, Sassy characters myself.
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  4. #264
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    Brielle Artemus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seiori View Post
    Being the poster girl for FFXIV give you great immunity, would say more so or even with WoL. Every time she joins us in dire moments expect nothing of consequence to happen. Not really into the know it all, Sassy characters myself.
    Is Y'shtola supposed to be the WoL's mother? Not literally, but figuratively. She doesn't dote on the WoL but is constantly making sure she's feeling okay and tells her to eat her vegetables and get sleep and stuff.
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  5. #265
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    SherlottaEryut's Avatar
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    Katja Eruyt
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    I skipped the entire story of FFXIV. I have not watched a single cutscene. I don’t know what I’m fighting for, all I know is I look good doing it while the NPC’s sit back and make me do everything.

    I have no idea what a Y’shtola is or why everyone’s obsessed with it (I assume it’s like baby Yoda).

    And I can’t stand the fact that 2b boots gives my character clown feet.
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  6. #266
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    Lala Felon
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    And I can’t stand the fact that 2b boots gives my character clown feet.
    The game makes sure that those who watch the cut scenes get HQ quality feet.

    /badjoke
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  7. #267
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    The official forums is one of the few places where people can freely discuss the shortcomings of the game. Other platforms, like the FFXIV reddit page, will take measures to censor criticism. For example, if this thread were created on the FFXIV reddit page, it would be deleted pretty quickly.
    If only it was well-rounded criticism here. It isn't. It's rounded towards negativity and that's it. But almost every video game forum is like that.

    And yes, this thread would likely be deleted on the FFXIV sub because it doesn't add anything constructive. It's nearly 30 pages of crapping on the game. I've seen some great discussions on Reddit, Discord, social media and various websites and blogs about the game. Opinion are varied across them all. It's not all positive and it's not all negative. Especially Reddit where there are a number of subs dedicated to video games, RPGs and a main one dedicated to MMOs. The MMO subreddit is worse than the forums in that they crap all over every MMO, no matter which one it is. So, if you think they don't go after FFXIV then you clearly have never been there.

    But even in that sub the opinions are more well-rounded than the forums, which is usually just tearing the game down. Mostly over stuff that players straight up don't understand. I am still convinced that the majority of people that post on the forums did not understand the story of EW at all and I will die on that hill. The few that have legitimate criticisms I tip my hat to because their posts are more constructive.

    Then there are just trolls but they've always been around and always will be.

    Edit: Like this person here. I honestly have respect for them (no joke) for just plainly coming out and saying they skipped all the story stuff. They are probably just joking but this to me is the 99% of the forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut View Post
    I skipped the entire story of FFXIV. I have not watched a single cutscene. I don’t know what I’m fighting for, all I know is I look good doing it while the NPC’s sit back and make me do everything.

    I have no idea what a Y’shtola is or why everyone’s obsessed with it (I assume it’s like baby Yoda).

    And I can’t stand the fact that 2b boots gives my character clown feet.
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    Last edited by Lium; 02-08-2022 at 08:58 AM.

  8. #268
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    If only it was well-rounded criticism here. It isn't. It's rounded towards negativity and that's it.
    This is such a one-sided view of everything that happens on these forums. Honestly, this is just the whole "your criticism isn't constructive" debate again. It's the same argument that people use to defend the game: by gatekeeping the term "constructive criticism."

    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    Edit: Like this person here. I honestly have respect for them (no joke) for just plainly coming out and saying they skipped all the story stuff. They are probably just joking but this to me is the 99% of the forums.
    You cherrypicked one person's post where they said they skipped the entire story and now you say: "but this to me is the 99% of the forums." How is anyone here going to take you seriously now after seeing you make such a sweeping generalization?
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  9. #269
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Any time anyone brings up any character in the game around here, it kicks off a multi-page thread of people complaining about them, and I just think of this.

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  10. #270
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    Jimbo Jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remish View Post
    You're entitled to your opinion but the games sales and population strongly suggest otherwise. Something about their design philosophy is working wither you agree with it or not.
    The games popularity only increased because Blizzard ruined there game with Shadowlands. Once Blizzard drops there next expansion most of this huge influx of players will flock back.
    This games surge of popularity pretty much came from youtube and twitch not good design philosophy.
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