When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[tokinokanatae]

How in the world was Venat in a position to prevent the first calamity? Are you talking about us failing to stop Meteion in Elpis?

By telling people in power about Meteion and what happened in Elpis.

Like, it really doesn't make any sense to say she offered an alternative when Zodiark was already there. Let's imagine that the people listened to her, said she was right, that they needed to move forward from this. Then what? How does that solve Meteion? How does that solve the Zodiark that now exists and the souls removed from the cycle of life giving him power? If they gave her the answer she wanted, are they suddenly worthy of being told the truth?

[AlysanneVrannai]

By telling people in power about Meteion and what happened in Elpis.

Like, it really doesn't make any sense to say she offered an alternative when Zodiark was already there. Let's imagine that the people listened to her, said she was right, that they needed to move forward from this. Then what? How does that solve Meteion? How does that solve the Zodiark that now exists and the souls removed from the cycle of life giving him power? If they gave her the answer she wanted, are they suddenly worthy of being told the truth?

They can move forward and face the crisis instead of fleeing from it, just like the story theme paralells in using the Moon as an Ark vs chasing after Meteion.

[tokinokanatae]

They can move forward and face the crisis instead of fleeing from it, just like the story theme paralells in using the Moon as an Ark vs chasing after Meteion.

How does that solve the Meteion issue if she doesn't tell anyone that Meteion exists?

[AlysanneVrannai]

How does that solve the Meteion issue if she doesn't tell anyone that Meteion exists?

I guess her not explicitly saying "There is a depressed harpy collective sending negative vibes at Etheirys causing the calamity, please learn to deal with strife in a healthy manner so that we can counter those vibes and face the horde at the end of reality together with the power of hope" in the cutscene depicting metaphors of her journey to the future the WoL is in means she never told anyone or intended to tell anyone about Meteion.

[tokinokanatae]

I guess her not explicitly saying "There is a depressed harpy collective sending negative vibes at Etheirys causing the calamity, please learn to deal with strife in a healthy manner so that we can counter those vibes and face the horde at the end of reality together with the power of hope" in the cutscene depicting metaphors of her journey to the future the WoL is in means she never told anyone or intended to tell anyone about Meteion.

Yes, you're right. Being vague about the very real threat that's still facing them is a lot better. Wouldn't want to make Venat sound silly or anything.

[Veloran]

Like, it really doesn't make any sense to say she offered an alternative when Zodiark was already there. Let's imagine that the people listened to her, said she was right, that they needed to move forward from this. Then what? How does that solve Meteion? How does that solve the Zodiark that now exists and the souls removed from the cycle of life giving him power? If they gave her the answer she wanted, are they suddenly worthy of being told the truth?

This is an interesting thought. I mean, what would she have done in that case? If we believe that the density of the sundered's souls is important to defeating Meteion, would she have tried to convince everyone that they had to surrender themselves to having their souls torn apart anyway...?

[Lauront]

This is an interesting thought. I mean, what would she have done in that case? If we believe that the density of the sundered's souls is important to defeating Meteion, would she have tried to convince everyone that they had to surrender themselves to having their souls torn apart anyway...?

The worst part is it only takes a selection of them to accomplish it. The Scions plus whoever joins your party (and of course Emet and Hyth.) So in the hypothetical scenario where they were not sundered, assuming all other methods to allow them to manipulate dynamis would not bear fruit, at most you could say it could be accomplished by agreeing to the sundering of a fraction of their populace (not to the tune of 14x over) and preparing them for this task - again, assuming all other alternatives were exhausted and would not work.

I used to think that a possible reason for her faction's plan to be so unappealing to the remainder of her people was because it may have entailed sundering them to eradicate a symptom mistaken for the cause of the crisis, i.e. creation magicks, but in reality they're not even given that much of a rationale.