When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[Lyth]

The Ancients aren't 'superior' to humanity, though. That was just their own system of biases talking. I'm sure that when we learn more about Dynamis, we'll see the exact opposite viewpoint expressed. 'The Amaurotians? Those aether dense fools couldn't manipulate dynamis if their lives depended on it! Caretakers of the planet? Ha!'

You can only say that our success was dependent on them insofar as they were in our past, and we in their future.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The Ancients aren't 'superior' to humanity, though. That was just their own system of biases talking. I'm sure that when we learn more about Dynamis, we'll see the exact opposite viewpoint expressed. 'The Amaurotians? Those aether dense fools couldn't manipulate dynamis if their lives depended on it! Caretakers of the planet? Ha!'

You can only say that our success was dependent on them insofar as they were in our past, and we in their future.

They could manipulate dynamis though, but i’m not going to derail the thread any more than it already has been to try to disprove headcanon. To each his own i suppose.I’ll just say i can say that our success was solely dependent on them not only for this expansion but even in the past expansions as well considering we even needed Emet’s help numerous times. It’s subjective but personally i find them fairly superior. Longer life span,immunity to illness, less prone to violence etc etc.

[Jandor]

It’s up to subjective tastes i suppose, but for me personally, i see that if you need to rely on higher up people to assist you in things, that shows you’re less resilient than they may be, especially in this situation, as if it weren’t for them we wouldn’t have succeeded in the first place whereas on the other hand they seemed to have been well off without us.

The planet was laid to waste by one of their own creations, and the in-fighting afterwards led to their extinction. That doesn't exactly seem well off to me.

Neither Meteion, nor the final days, nor the sacrifices, nor the sundering, were the fault of the sundered. They did all that on their own.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The planet was laid to waste by one of their own creations, and the in-fighting afterwards led to their extinction. That doesn't exactly seem well off to me.

Neither Meteion, nor the final days, nor the sacrifices, nor the sundering, were the fault of the sundered. They did all that on their own.

They lived whats presumed to be thousands of years without any problems. Actually, it seems to be that sundering involvement led to their extinction considering all the time shenanigans.

[Jandor]

They lived whats presumed to be thousands of years without any problems. Actually, it seems to be that sundering involvement led to their extinction considering all the time shenanigans.

They really made up for lost time with Meteion.

[Nabby]

Jesus, it's not that hard. Endwalker's main theme is just the philosophy and pitfalls of nihilism 101.

There is suffering, period. The ancients only stayed it off for a time by turning a blind eye to the suffering of the races they created (and destroyed) for their own personal comfort. And sure, that's one way of doing things, until someone like Hermes comes along who sympathises with those "lesser creature's" lives. We also met Venat, who clearly wasn't really on board with the whole "retire and die" thing either. As leader of the convocation, of course someone like Emet would be the pinnacle of believers in the ancient's philosophy as lordly shepherds of the star who's only purpose is to prolong and improve it. But it's clear that's not the case for every ancient. Certainly, it's clear that as part of their mission, they put themselves at the top of the priority list for comfort.

The story quite explicitly spells out that there is no grand higher purpose everyone can aspire to that will solve all suffering. Emet-selch and the convocation might be very happy in their mission as shepherds of the star, but obviously others were not. That's the issue. Hermes wasn't at all fulfilled by the task, and neither was Venat, really. And the convocation's goal wasn't any more inherently noble or less self-centred than any other goal one might have. Even Zenos, though to many people who've grown up with the moral philosophy of the modern era, his goal might seem incredibly immoral, he still succeeds at finding a purpose and following it through, for good or ill of anyone else.

The point is that's all we can do. It's great to aspire to your own moral compass, and I'm sure many of the people around you will be happy if that compass is in line with their own. But at the end of the day, if trying to follow someone else's philosophy does not fulfil you, then you have to find another purpose - one that will be just as inherently valid, even if people oppose you, even if you ultimately fail.

Striving for something without purpose, however, and without knowing why you're doing what you're doing and without believing in something that ultimately you can't prove is more right than anything else, will only lead to despair.

[KizuyaKatogami]

They really made up for lost time with Meteion.

Not sure what your point is here at all lol. In the end it was Venat that brought them to extinction. Not necessarily Meteion.

[sidurgu-12]

I don't know, man. The WoL trying to catch some of those legendary fish is a harder battle than most of the Primals or other world-ending threats. Maybe fighting is the real vacation.

true lol. that lvl 50 shark was harder than any minstrels ballad in the game. by lvl 90 we're basically posidon reincarnated.

[Denishia]

If Zenos wanted to me to take his challenge seriously, he could have joined me outside of Ala Mhigo trying to get Sculptors and Stethacanthus and then moving onto Ealad Skaan.

[Jandor]

Not sure what your point is here at all lol. In the end it was Venat that brought them to extinction. Not necessarily Meteion.

You seem to want to pat them on the back for going thousands of years without a major disaster (that we know of,) but given the ridiculous scale of the disaster they did cause, I'm not sure they deserve it.

And yes, Venat did wipe the Ancients out, as a result of Hermes trying to wipe the Ancients out, so I'm not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that they'd be fine. First disaster in thousands of years by your estimation, and they totally blew it.