What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[AziraSyuren]

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"From that temptation, I sunder us." is the part in context.

That was the quote. It was just a linguistic choice on the writers' end, it wasn't the moment of sundering, and I don't think that's where she decided to sunder the world either.

I’ve played every final fantasy game barring 11. If we really want to go down the “14 is like the other ff’s” then shall i bring up how the past ff games have actually had consequences for the protagonists and killed off their characters? .

I can't actually remember that many examples of characters dying outside of antagonists that wasn't undone later on. For that you have... 2, 5 (best scene in the series, don't @ me), 7, arguably 15? It was utter bullshit in that last case though, as Noctis deserved better, and ambiguously canon supplements like the novel muddy the water on just what happened or what should've happened. I never played 8 or 13 so I don't have the faintest idea what happens there (i know lightning returns undoes it all though), and fuck 10-2 for undoing one of the most amazing parts of 10's ending. No main character dies in any other mainline FF game, and there are rarely ever lasting consequences either.

People who can be inferred to die offscreen shortly after the game ends or based on your own choices (6 and 9) don't count.

Either way, it's hardly a recurring trend in the series to kill off characters or give them lasting consequences.

[KizuyaKatogami]

"From that temptation, I sunder us." is the part in context.

That was the quote. It was just a linguistic choice on the writers' end, it wasn't the moment of sundering, and I don't think that's where she decided to sunder the world either.



I can't actually remember that many examples of characters dying outside of antagonists that wasn't undone later on. For that you have... 2, 5 (best scene in the series, don't @ me), 7, arguably 15? It was utter bullshit in that last case though, as Noctis deserved better, and ambiguously canon supplements like the novel muddy the water on just what happened or what should've happened. I never played 8 or 13 so I don't have the faintest idea what happens there (i know lightning returns undoes it all though), and fuck 10-2 for undoing one of the most amazing parts of 10's ending. No main character dies in any other mainline FF game, and there are rarely ever lasting consequences either.

People who can be inferred to die offscreen shortly after the game ends or based on your own choices (6 and 9) don't count.

Either way, it's hardly a recurring trend in the series to kill off characters or give them lasting consequences.

2,4,5,7,10(still counts as it was an entire game after that it got undone, even then Auron still “died”),12,15,type0. Even in some where no one was killed off, 6 destroyed the base world and left it in ruin, 9 had numerous countries completely blown up, 13 had the entire world and then some completely destroyed where only a select few souls actually made it out alive.

[ReynTime]

2,4,5,7,10(still counts as it was an entire game after that it got undone, even then Auron still “died”),12,15,type0. Even in some where no one was killed off, 6 destroyed the base world and left it in ruin, 9 had numerous countries completely blown up, 13 had the entire world and then some completely destroyed where only a select few souls actually made it out alive.

IX's main theme is death and it explores the theme without any suspension of disbelief coated pretentiousness that Endwalker has by the way.

[KizuyaKatogami]

IX's main theme is death and it explores the theme without any suspension of disbelief coated pretentiousness that Endwalker has by the way.

Tbh 9 felt a bit like a fever dream. Loved the game and thought it was really good, but the amount of plot armor a lot of the time was pretty comical xD I did like how they managed to imo perfectly mix the comic relief and serious moments. I didn’t feel at any time that the comic relief took away from the situation because it was timed really well. Something i wish Endwalker had.

[ReynTime]

Tbh 9 felt a bit like a fever dream. Loved the game and thought it was really good, but the amount of plot armor a lot of the time was pretty comical xD I did like how they managed to imo perfectly mix the comic relief and serious moments. I didn’t feel at any time that the comic relief took away from the situation because it was timed really well. Something i wish Endwalker had.

IX is very Disney-esque with its conclusion but I think it can be forgiven due how serious it gets before that. And it deserves props IMO for handling War in a way I haven't seen any other RPG handle. In IX there is no hipocrisy of exalting war/fighting (there is the hunter's game but the brutality of it gets called out immediately) while trying to give an anti-war message. War is portrayed as plain tragic, and the main characters try to stop them before they begin, depicting the start of the conflicts as a defeat in itself, rather than go to arms all TODAY WE FIGHT, BROTHERS, YEEAAH!! like pretty much every other fantasy western or japanese rpg tends to do.