What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[KizuyaKatogami]

So what was it when they sacrificed half the remaining population to summon zodiark?

Mass murder?

And she didn't commit genocide, the souls were simply split. Proof of that aplenty in game.

If you want to say venat was wrong, that's fine. She wasn't a hero. But neither were the convocation for sacrificing their own population. They could have left it after that, but chose more sacrifice.

Correct me if i’m wrong, but for the two set of sacrifices the people were volunteers. Don’t believe there was any implication it was done without their consent. Only one that’s arguable for is the 3rd sacrifice but we don’t know what that life was. Venat on the other hand, got no one’s consent for the sundering, and did it all behind their back. At least the convocation let people volunteer and didn’t force them it seems

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Correct me if i’m wrong, but for the two set of sacrifices the people were volunteers. Don’t believe there was any implication it was done without their consent. Only one that’s arguable for is the 3rd sacrifice but we don’t know what that life was. Venat on the other hand, got no one’s consent for the sundering, and did it all behind their back. At least the convocation let people volunteer and didn’t force them it seems

I believe only the people in Amaurot gave consent. Not the rest of the planet.

[Lauront]

I believe only the people in Amaurot gave consent. Not the rest of the planet.

From her own mouth:



Emet:

Let us imagine that the laws of reality are again undone, and the world faces true annihilation. Do you honestly believe that half your number would sacrifice themselves to save the other?


From the above, it is clear it is half of mankind as a whole offering itself up in sacrifice to salvage their star and people.

And she didn't commit genocide, the souls were simply split. Proof of that aplenty in game.

Sure.




This isn't some mere little "split" - their lifespans were reduced from being virtually immortal to much shorter lifecycles, they lost their ability to use creation magicks and the Echo is at a fraction of what it was when they were unsundered - amongst other things. This is effectively the creation of a different species at the expense of the one being sundered. It is their eradication as a people.

[linayar]

Now with a few playthroughs under my belt the last bit of msq feels a bit muddy for me. Prior to Elpis the story is about finding hope in moments of hopelessness, which is a nice sentiment and par the course of FFXIV's overarching story. Once we hit Elpis it then shifts to Perfect Is Bad, which even gets a speech from a bunny in the 2nd part of Labrynthos explaining that Perfect Is Bad and we should stay in our lane and just make due with what we have. Then we reach the last zone and attempt to juggle Perfect Is Bad (Ea, Omicron, Peace wars, Ra-la), Stay In Your Lane Or Die (little fish people), finding hope in moments of hopelessness (friends, flowers, etc) and the dragon ghosts...that never chased perfection or things outside their means.

I think the funniest summary of how sideways it gets is when the Ea spend their whole area being our example as to why Perfect Is Bad in that they learned everything there was to learn and it ended poorly and Yshtola just says NO U as her rebuttal. She wants to learn everything she can learn! But now its ok because she is doing it I guess.

"Perfect" is not bad, but the problem is that people don't know what it is. When people reach what they think is perfection but still find it wanting, they are left with nothing but despair because they don't think it can get any better for them, but they still want more.

That's where hope comes in. Like with Y'shtola and her hope and desire to know more as opposed to Ea where there is no hope of learning anything more.

Holy crap lmao. "No, I don't kill them, I only blown them into 14 pieces. 7 of them will be destroyed though, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make". Sounds exactly like what genocide apologist would say.

Who said anything about killing people? I was talking about sundering the world. And speaking of genocide, guess who caused the destruction of 7 of those worlds?

Only one that’s arguable for is the 3rd sacrifice but we don’t know what that life was.

It would have to be the ancestors of the existing races. Their preservation was one of the points of the sundering.