When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[RyuDragnier]

Oh so we're doing this again. Here's how the next dozen pages go "Why did/didn't Venat do X, she's terrible." a bunch of posts explaining why Venat didn't do X are made and susequently ignored or dismissed. And then the topic shifts to something else related to how awful Venat is. This is what every thread here becomes now, regardless of the original subject.

Yep. It's reaching the point where I kind of wish the mods would throw out 72 hour bans to the people who keep starting this. Because it's getting INCREDIBLY annoying now, and it seems to be the same people doing it.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yep. It's reaching the point where I kind of wish the mods would throw out 72 hour bans to the people who keep starting this. Because it's getting INCREDIBLY annoying now, and it seems to be the same people doing it.

To be fair it didn’t happen when there were people going around all the threads in shb calling emet bad and ascian supporters genocide enthusiasts. Don’t see why it’d apply here.It's not like it isnt entirely irrelevant here though. She was the one preaching about suffering and fighting etc.Seems like people are fine when it devolves into praising Venat or what have you but the moment someone makes a post questioning her THEN its a problem.

[EaraGrace]

To be fair it didn’t happen when there were people going around all the threads in shb calling emet bad and ascian supporters genocide enthusiasts. Don’t see why it’d apply here.It's not like it isnt entirely irrelevant here though. She was the one preaching about suffering and fighting etc.Seems like people are fine when it devolves into praising Venat or what have you but the moment someone makes a post questioning her THEN its a problem.

Oh wow where are these Venat did nothing wrong threads? I must’ve missed them.

Big difference: In the Christian creation myth mankind brought it on themselves. The Ancients did nothing wrong but react in a realistic manner to trauma. And Hell, IMHO, Eve wanting to eat the apple wasn't worthy of she and Adam getting thrown out of paradise, so there is that. -shrug-

Something can be a realistic reaction to trauma and be wrong.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Oh wow where are these Venat did nothing wrong threads? I must’ve missed them.



Something can be a realistic reaction to trauma and be wrong.

I was mainly talking about post wise. Be a bit more active on the forums and i’m sure you’d see what i’m talking about. Doesn’t disprove any of what i said either way though

[redheadturk]

Oh wow where are these Venat did nothing wrong threads? I must’ve missed them.



Something can be a realistic reaction to trauma and be wrong.

Saying reacting realistically to trauma is wrong [newsflash, it *ain't*] is like blaming a woman for her own assault. Pretty damn tacky.

[KariTheFox]

Saying reacting realistically to trauma is wrong [newsflash, it *ain't*] is like blaming a woman for her own assault. Pretty damn tacky.

The only thing tacky here is using that comparison in a thread about a video game story, sheesh.

[redheadturk]

The only thing tacky here is using that comparison in a thread about a video game story, sheesh.

Point being, you're basically saying because the Ancients reacted realistically to a traumatic situation they deserved to be traumatized further by being ripped into fourteen pieces and murdered slowly by mortality. Nah fam. That ain't it. Nor do we deserve to die in order to have all of our soul fragments shoved back together. Both the Ascians and Venat are wrong, both are guilty. Sooner both sides can admit that, sooner the debates stop. Not all of the Ancients became Ascians, and the innocent bystanders did not deserve nor should they have been Sundered.

[KariTheFox]

Point being, you're basically saying because the Ancients reacted realistically to a traumatic situation they deserved to be traumatized further by being ripped into fourteen pieces and murdered slowly by mortality. Nah fam. That ain't it. Nor do we deserve to die in order to have all of our soul fragments shoved back together. Both the Ascians and Venat are wrong, both are guilty. Sooner both sides can admit that, sooner the debates stop.

I don't think anyone "deserved" anything and I appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. But sure, whatever. Both sides were "wrong" and Venat was a very bad lady for doing a sundering, shame on her. Satisfied?

Can we please have more interesting discusions that don't involve comparisons to women being assaulted now? Maybe even discussions about the original topics of threads.

[Cleretic]

Point being, you're basically saying because the Ancients reacted realistically to a traumatic situation they deserved to be traumatized further by being ripped into fourteen pieces and murdered slowly by mortality. Nah fam. That ain't it. Nor do we deserve to die in order to have all of our soul fragments shoved back together. Both the Ascians and Venat are wrong, both are guilty. Sooner both sides can admit that, sooner the debates stop. Not all of the Ancients became Ascians, and the innocent bystanders did not deserve nor should they have been Sundered.

Here's the thing, though, which is actually related to the topic at hand: the Ancients reacted so horrifically poorly not just 'because of trauma', but because to them it was unprecedented trauma. They'd spent so long completely without any kind of suffering that when it inevitably came (as it inevitably does, no matter what), they had absolutely no experience in how to deal with anything like it, and so no framework in how to make a good decision.

The second sacrifice was tragic and completely understandable, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake made by people who just didn't have the life experience required to do things right.

And us? We learn from that, and try to avoid making the same mistakes. Because that's how life is: we experience suffering, be it first or second hand, and try to not fall in the same holes.

[Theodric]

Yep. It's reaching the point where I kind of wish the mods would throw out 72 hour bans to the people who keep starting this. Because it's getting INCREDIBLY annoying now, and it seems to be the same people doing it.

Thankfully last I checked, there's nothing in the terms of service regarding blasphemy towards fictional self proclaimed deities nor is anyone obligated to even like Venat or approve of her actions.

Given that Venat is directly and indirectly responsible for most of the genocide and suffering present in the setting, it's inevitable that she is going to be brought up across a number of threads relating to such story beats. Actions have consequences, after all.