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  1. #31
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    Wolwosh's Avatar
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    Ulorin Ardor
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Haha grow up xD
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  2. #32
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    Divinemights's Avatar
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Leviathan
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vishas View Post
    Even at level 90 I still can't solo alphascape v4 savage and I need my team to know what to do for alphascape v4 savage so npcs are useless
    I suggest you to make some friends.
    It is not that difficult in FF14 compares to WoW, when your FC mate is asking for help, go help them
    Just matter of time you will get people to help you on what you need
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  3. #33
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    Vishas's Avatar
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    Zaya Malaguld
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    Adamantoise
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolwosh View Post
    Haha grow up xD
    Yes how dare I want to be able to work to get an item, how childish
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  4. #34
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    Vishas's Avatar
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    Zaya Malaguld
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    Adamantoise
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saidosha View Post
    I see some are still stuck in the mentality that MMO means mandatory multiplayer.

    Pragmatically, playing with others should always be optional, and as long as things are restricted to group content, you can't exactly call it optional when the choice becomes do or don't. Not everyone is up for the "logistics" of group content. I imagine we've all had some instance of trying to do PUG things where the party turns into a revolving door or outright collapses when a wipe happens or one or two people get what they're after. When that happens to you enough, it's not surprising one would grow disenfranchised with the community no matter how "helpful" onlookers may try to be. "Just level WAR to 90!" is not good advice if the person has zero interest in tanks or views the related effort as not worth it for a singular goal or two.

    Despite the shortcomings of Trusts, I do believe they're actually one of the best types of features a MMO could embrace. They can help teach a player without snark. They can enable someone who is more off-hours to get things done. It eliminates the "feed every mouth" pressure that goes hand-in-hand with forming a large group (and RNG doesn't cooperate). They can even better prepare the player through that combination of knowledge and drops should they wish to help others. I could certainly understand if SE wouldn't allow them while content is immediately current, but after that? I'd say fair game.

    That said, I'd also say the game is somewhat at its worst when things can't be bought with tomestones. Be it mounts or gear, it sucks when what you want just will not drop. And sure, mounts have the safety net with totems, but I'd argue the amount of required clears are rather overtuned and impractical. Of course, I'd also propose an alternative for old content not in the current expansion: As long as you've cleared it once, you can buy whatever it offered with poetics. Make them cost 2k to encourage running whatever, fine, but the option should nonetheless be there to curb burnout and disdain for peers, which can feed into unsubscribing or outright quitting the game. Alternatively, expand the Mog Tome event to be full-time with bonus content rotating daily while changing rewards out every week or so.
    I don't even mind teaming up I just wish people would stop quitting but they won't
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  5. #35
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    ZedxKayn's Avatar
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    Capybara Friend
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    No, having a party-reliant mechanics is what makes savage what it is, play by the rules, if you don't want to deal with throwing yourself at PF until you get a good group or deal with the logistics of creating/finding a static, no shinies for you.

    It's good that some old fights can't be cleared through brute force like that, I wish it would be the case for all of them.
    (2)
    im baby

  6. #36
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    Saidosha's Avatar
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    Weissening Blitz
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    Brynhildr
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I suggest you to make some friends.
    It is not that difficult in FF14 compares to WoW, when your FC mate is asking for help, go help them
    Just matter of time you will get people to help you on what you need
    As someone with an irregular play schedule due to RL obligations, my "making friends" usually results in a bunch of people strung out over their own prime play times where I'd maybe be able to herd 2-3 together, but hardly enough for 8-man things. And even with planning ahead, it'd probably only result in a small handful of runs before one would have to bail.

    From their perspective, I also come off as the flaky, unreliable friend since if they want something and I'm not around, the odds of them returning the favor also isn't what I'd call the best. And color me cynical, but I rarely expect anyone to do anything solely out of the goodness of their heart.
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  7. #37
    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    Peter Redhill
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    Halicarnassus
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    Bard Lv 100
    Mage Tower was some of the best content in Wow why not? Seems like a no brainer. Just give it unique rewards and boom people will do it.
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  8. #38
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    LittleImp's Avatar
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saidosha View Post
    Pragmatically, playing with others should always be optional, and as long as things are restricted to group content, you can't exactly call it optional when the choice becomes do or don't.
    Part of the draw of multiplayer games is overcoming challenges through teamwork. If you make everything able to be easily completed or obtained solo, it detracts from that appeal significantly for many.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saidosha View Post
    Not everyone is up for the "logistics" of group content.
    There are plenty of things I'm not up for in this game, but I don't expect to be handed the rewards tied to those activities. I just accept that I won't get the rewards unless I engage with the content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saidosha View Post
    I imagine we've all had some instance of trying to do PUG things where the party turns into a revolving door or outright collapses when a wipe happens or one or two people get what they're after. When that happens to you enough, it's not surprising one would grow disenfranchised with the community no matter how "helpful" onlookers may try to be. "Just level WAR to 90!" is not good advice if the person has zero interest in tanks or views the related effort as not worth it for a singular goal or two.
    Just make some friends who are willing to run content, if pug groups are such a nightmare. I just helped my FC through the very fight this person is struggling with last night, and it took like an hour from blind to get 8 clears and get everyone the drops/mount they wanted.
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  9. #39
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    Xaphire's Avatar
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    Aeonna Calvados
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vishas View Post
    I don't even mind teaming up I just wish people would stop quitting but they won't
    I can't imagine you even see much of M&F in O12S with 8 90s. You saw very few mechanics at level 80. And part 2 I imagine you'd kill it before Hello World 2. It's easy enough to learn patch and Hello World 1. You actually have to do the mechanics and if you're struggling with it, find some regulars, watch some videos or look at some pictures if necessary and knock it out. Keep trying, you'll get it.

    You're either after the mount, or being a glamour hound that can't accept just getting the undyeable version of the same gear or wants the weapon. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.
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  10. #40
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    Maxilor's Avatar
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    Pocket Prince
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 57
    Create an entire new mode so a few players can solo an old savage fight for a glamour item.

    vs

    Those same players getting maybe 1 or 2 other players and doing it un-synced.
    (6)
    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

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