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  1. #111
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FateRu View Post
    P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
    Maybe WAR is too strong after all.
    got a link to a video of that?

    This is more evidence we can add to the pile of healers not being needed for years.

    -e4s cleared without healers when current
    -dungeons regularly dont need healers unless its a drk
    -both extremes in ew are regularly cleared with just 1 healer and repeatedly with 0
    -p1n doesnt need healers

    and now another savage won't need them. content is too undertuned across the board.
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  2. #112
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    Fate Ruler
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    Titan
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    Warrior Lv 61
    Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any video.
    Only reports on social networking sites.
    https://twitter.com/ff14telltail/sta...aCIcflisg&s=19
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  3. #113
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FateRu View Post
    Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any video.
    Only reports on social networking sites.
    https://twitter.com/ff14telltail/sta...aCIcflisg&s=19
    You cannot Holmgang all the tankbusters so whatever cheese they did to not die to magic vuln is likely shielding and mitigating it so much it does not matter. Or letting tank die and rezzing him, since having extra dps easily compensates that and boss autos are so weak nobody else would die in meantime
    But most likely DPS with shielding can survive flare tankbuster so maybe it was some aggro manipulation for that.
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    Last edited by Somnolence; 01-30-2022 at 09:58 PM.

  4. #114
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    You cannot Holmgang all the tankbusters so whatever cheese they did to not die to magic vuln is likely shielding and mitigating it so much it does not matter. Or letting tank die and rezzing him, since having extra dps easily compensates that and boss autos are so weak nobody else would die in meantime
    But most likely DPS with shielding can survive flare tankbuster so maybe it was some aggro manipulation for that.
    The boss does like 6-7 tankbuster that you normally swap. Pretty sure you can holmgang all of them (with 8 wars).
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  5. #115
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
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    Louisoix
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FateRu View Post
    P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
    Maybe WAR is too strong after all.
    Nobody got nerfed the last time a raid was able to be cleared (while current) by stacking one job. Why start now?
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  6. #116
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    Valesti Nibelung
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 90
    If I have to choose between clearing a content alone for more than 1 hour or with people for 8 mins, I know which one I'd rather prefer. The video makes WAR seem incredibly OP but its such a pointless thing to do that in reality it doesnt really mean anything.

    Unpopular opinion maybe, but for me but a class is OP if its performing way above the other ones. For example if WAR can do 70% of mDPS damage and 70% of healers healing (and can heal others) then it is OP.

    But does WAR actually outperform healers when it comes into healing? not in a million years unless if the healer is sleeping. Some people say WAR dont need heals, well trust me depending on the content and timing they do and DPSes certainly need healing. So how does the existence of a tank that can heal itself make healers redundant when there are still 3-7 people in need of healing in a fight? just because you dont have to heal the tank doesnt mean you can sleep.

    Lets not remove more unique things from a class just because someone with enough time can solo a normal boss whose mechanics is just matching red with blue and blue with red. Class identity has to be preserved. Even now there are a few jobs that lack it.
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  7. #117
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Nobody got nerfed the last time a raid was able to be cleared (while current) by stacking one job. Why start now?
    Just because something has been cheesed in the past doesn't make it right to continue. It's a pretty basic gaming concept.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #118
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    Also regarding class stacking and contents being done without healers. They involve strategies and are not your average party strats. If it becomes so mainstream then you can say something is wrong. But if it takes thinking, certain strats and rather good players to pull it off then nothing is OP but the players themselves.
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    Last edited by Lieri; 01-31-2022 at 12:42 AM.

  9. #119
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    Navaro Reverz
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    Louisoix
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Why so many folk want WAR nerfed? Isn't this a problem with encounters rather than WARs. Lets not include dungeons, as dungeons only have one difficulty and are mainly for the story. So simply anyone with at least a thumb on a single hand can clear it. However in raids, they need to sort out the damage dealt in encounters, make damage less predictable and actually hit hard. Make auto attacks from the boss make the tank panic. There is a lot wrong with how the WAR can just heal through things no probs, but it isn't down to the WAR...
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  10. #120
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lieri View Post
    Also regarding class stacking and contents being done without healers. They involve strategies and are not your average party strats. If it becomes so mainstream then you can say something is wrong. But if it takes thinking, certain strats and rather good players to pull it off then nothing is OP but the players themselves.
    Do it with 8 samurai.
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