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    Player
    Undeadfire's Avatar
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    Nova' Dragon
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 92
    I believe the point is in future, not currently.

    Right now it takes an hour, in the future if they don't future proof this charade for further normal raids, it can lead to another issue soloing other contents with Tanks, eventually quicker, at the same time it proves tanks are growing evidently indestructible. QOL is nice, but you can't keep making the game easier, easier, and easier, only leads on people leaving since there's "no challenge", I really hope next raid tier isn't so ridiculously easy this Xpac.
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    Gae Bolg Animus 18/04/2014

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    Fate Ruler
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    Titan
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    Warrior Lv 61
    WAR is broken. This fact is destroying the gameplay of FFXIV.
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    Chelsei's Avatar
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    Chelsei Katell
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I think boss encounter in general (dongeon or normal raid) should hit way more harder and require more healing too. The game is way too easy.
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    Fate Ruler
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    Titan
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    Warrior Lv 61
    P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
    Maybe WAR is too strong after all.
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FateRu View Post
    P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
    Maybe WAR is too strong after all.
    got a link to a video of that?

    This is more evidence we can add to the pile of healers not being needed for years.

    -e4s cleared without healers when current
    -dungeons regularly dont need healers unless its a drk
    -both extremes in ew are regularly cleared with just 1 healer and repeatedly with 0
    -p1n doesnt need healers

    and now another savage won't need them. content is too undertuned across the board.
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    Absimiliard's Avatar
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    Cassius Rex
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    Louisoix
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FateRu View Post
    P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
    Maybe WAR is too strong after all.
    Nobody got nerfed the last time a raid was able to be cleared (while current) by stacking one job. Why start now?
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Nobody got nerfed the last time a raid was able to be cleared (while current) by stacking one job. Why start now?
    Just because something has been cheesed in the past doesn't make it right to continue. It's a pretty basic gaming concept.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Hikari Tamamo
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Just because something has been cheesed in the past doesn't make it right to continue. It's a pretty basic gaming concept.
    Why not? It looks fun and hilarious that 8 warriors can comolete the first fight in the tier. Do you think this will effect savage recruitment? Do you think the new meta going forward will be teams of 8 warriors trying to clear content and nobody else will get a spot?

    How does this effect you, or the rest of the playerbase in any way?
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    Last edited by KariTheFox; 01-31-2022 at 05:02 AM.

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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
    Why not? It looks fun and hilarious that 8 warriors can comolete the first fight in the tier. Do you think this will effect savage recruitment? Do you think the new meta going forward will be teams of 8 warriors trying to clear content and nobody else will get a spot?

    How does this effect you, or the rest of the playerbase in any way?
    Why are we still pretending this is a team-focused or trinity-based game if one third of the trinity is a one-man-army that can do whatever it wants, and the other two can stuff it because they aren't uniquely capable of soloing things that only tanks get to do?

    Sure, one role can have great damage and ridiculous self-healing while also having like five times the defense everyone else does, but let's not kid ourselves about it. Either tanks are overpowered, or we're moving further away from the trinity concept with every expansion. Tanks can do it all.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
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    Historically, yes, it was pretty fun to watch. The most entertaining set of 8 Warrior clears this game has produced was this one back in ARR. It's well worth a look if you haven't seen it before. Part of what makes it great, aside from the playfulness and silliness, is the photo finish. You don't need to know anything about tanking for it to keep you on the edge of your seat.

    More recent solo/8-tank clears aren't really exciting. I actually find myself rooting for the boss to just swat their HP bar down to 0 between bursts of self-healing to max health. Just need an Ana biotic grenade as a recurring fight mechanic.
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