So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[AbysmalDuck]

If you want to learn at your own pace and on your own, then don't join a group or find a group where all 8 players consent to that mindset. They exist, the game also has trust dungeons/trial by which you can do whatever you want for as long as you want and no one else is involved.


I'm still struggling to see how the above is not the immediate thought process when it comes to playing in a group setting. Forcing the mindset of "I Play How I Want" onto others seems so inconsiderate to me.

Just like imposing "I want you to play the way I want" is what you are doing...

[kizumiayamame]

Just like imposing "I want you to play the way I want" is what you are doing...

How is he doing that though?

[AbysmalDuck]

How is he doing that though?

Because as I stated earlier, not everyone is looking for a carry or to be lazy. Some people, even such as myself, will join a party to learn a fight. Maybe I didn't get a clear there, but I felt comfortable enough to move to a clear party because I now know all of the mechs and confidently feel like I can clear the content even though the party I was with was incapable of learning the mechs. By most people's definition here, I'm in the wrong because I haven't cleared the content and shouldn't be joining a clear party, but guess what, I still cleared it.

I went outside of how you wanted me to play. I didn't mold to how you wanted me to play, because one particular person doesn't make the rules. This is an online community where each individual pays a monthly subscription to be part of and only the devs/GMs should have a right to tell me how I spend my time during that subscription. This game is supposed to be fun, not like high school.

I guess my final point is this. You pay to be part of a community, not to make rules for that community. If you want to do that, I'm sure SE is hiring.

[Euphares]

Because as I stated earlier, not everyone is looking for a carry or to be lazy. Some people, even such as myself, will join a party to learn a fight. Maybe I didn't get a clear there, but I felt comfortable enough to move to a clear party because I now know all of the mechs and confidently feel like I can clear the content even though the party I was with was incapable of learning the mechs. By most people's definition here, I'm in the wrong because I haven't cleared the content and shouldn't be joining a clear party, but guess what, I still cleared it.

I went outside of how you wanted me to play. I didn't mold to how you wanted me to play, because one particular person doesn't make the rules. This is an online community where each individual pays a monthly subscription to be part of and only the devs/GMs should have a right to tell me how I spend my time during that subscription. This game is supposed to be fun, not like high school.

I guess my final point is this. You pay to be part of a community, not to make rules for that community. If you want to do that, I'm sure SE is hiring.

You aren't even keeping a consistent argument, just selectively changing your points to fill this weird narrative that performance-based players aren't real players because only people who don't care about performance can "truly enjoy the game." This has been proven as false on multiple occasions, several times in this thread alone.



If you are joining a learning party to learn, there is no problem as long as you are at the prog point the party requires. No one reasonable has ever disagreed with this or claimed the opposite. You are quite literally lying by saying most people in this thread are claiming people can't learn.

And by the way, Duty Completion and Duty Complete are both very different parameters one can set for their PF, if the leader sets the party to Duty Completion it means that people who haven't cleared can join.


You are speaking for others and not even repeating what they have said correctly in order to create this weird delusion that other people are trying to strongarm you to play a certain way, asking people for basic participation and pulling their weight, something anyone can do easily, is not unreasonable by any means. If you acted like this in real life, people would find you weird, rightfully so.

You are correct, it is a community, therefore the community can set the standards by which individuals must conform to or be ostracized, that's how communities work. There is a reason why you aren't allowed to join savage/extreme/ultimate and just auto attack the entire time, which by your logic, would be perfectly valid to do if that's the playstyle you preferred.

The devs/gm's have the right to punish anyone they want for whatever reason they want, but that is the extent of their power over the community. Which is why players are allowed to foster the micro-communities they desire.

[AbysmalDuck]

You aren't even keeping a consistent argument, just selectively changing your points to fill this weird narrative that performance-based players aren't real players because only people who don't care about performance can "truly enjoy the game." This has been proven as false on multiple occasions, several times in this thread alone.



If you are joining a learning party to learn, there is no problem as long as you are at the prog point the party requires. No one reasonable has ever disagreed with this or claimed the opposite. You are quite literally lying by saying most people in this thread are claiming people can't learn.

And by the way, Duty Completion and Duty Complete are both very different parameters one can set for their PF, if the leader sets the party to Duty Completion it means that people who haven't cleared can join.


You are speaking for others and not even repeating what they have said correctly in order to create this weird delusion that other people are trying to strongarm you to play a certain way, asking people for basic participation and pulling their weight, something anyone can do easily, is not unreasonable by any means. If you acted like this in real life, people would find you weird, rightfully so.

You are correct, it is a community, therefore the community can set the standards by which individuals must conform to or be ostracized, that's how communities work. There is a reason why you aren't allowed to join savage/extreme/ultimate and just auto attack the entire time, which by your logic, would be perfectly valid to do if that's the playstyle you preferred.

The devs/gm's have the right to punish anyone they want for whatever reason they want, but that is the extent of their power over the community. Which is why players are allowed to foster the micro-communities they desire.

Honestly, you twisted so much of what I said to meet your delusion, that I'm not even going to respond to your points, but I appreciate the attempt.