Quote Originally Posted by Kordarion View Post
Except that's not at all what I got from Heavensward. Sure it certainly gave the ascians more depth, but I remember at the time assuming the sundering was a direct result of something bad that Zodiark did. In hindsight we know differently but at the time we didn't know of the final days, only that Hydaelyn sundered Zodiark and the world into 14 shards. Nothing we knew of Hydaelyn showed her as anything but the "good guy" and out only knowledge of the ascians and Zodiark was that they destroyed planets in order to make their god whole again, not something that could be seen as morally ambiguous on its own. Up until shadowbringers the story clearly said, ascians = bad and Hydaelyn = good.

Unless of course you are talking about the dragons vs Ishgard and then that's not immediately clear that's the case but I digress. If it is, it is also different circumstances, none of the scions have an existential stake in who is right or wrong, their is no question surrounding the validation of their existence. Their perspective is the same as ours when it comes to Endwalker, people whose very existence isn't tied to one outcome being just and are instead outside observers interacting with an unfolding story.
I was indeed talking about the dragons vs ishgardians, i thought it was clear when i mentioned the dragonsong war but my bad. The scions didnt exactly have a stake in it but we did as the WoL, especially when we grew attached to people like Estinien or Ysayle. Thats my point as well, it isnt only the scions that treat venat as some hero or benevolent but we as the wol dont even have the option to really call out or question Venat, whereas we did so consistently with the ascians. Again, why bring up as a dev that both sides are essentially the same, neither are good nor bad, but then completely contradict that in this expansion? It doesnt make much sense.