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    Robert_Ilcri's Avatar
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    Robert Ilcri
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    Quote Originally Posted by NitsuLeviathan View Post
    catalyze doesn't spread when you use deployment tactics.
    also, weaker potency barriers cant override stronger ones. if your friend wears no gear, does their barrier overwrite galvanize? if so, sounds like a bug.


    valid point about succor though since it's pretty much never used anymore, but sch has a ton of mitigation baked into the kit elsewhere (which do stack with other shields, sacred soil/consolation/fey illumination). I doubt SE is gonna change shields since they've been pretty adamant about shields not stacking for years now for whatever reason. you can use emergency tactics every 15 seconds, which is way more frequently then you would ever really need to cast succor . duo shield healers really is not a problem in any content this game has to offer.
    Correct that Catalyze does not spread. However a crit Adlo is still roughly 7000 HP spread to the group for it's barrier (increased by the 180% value thats more like a 13000 barrier). Now my fiance helped me test it again and a big one on my part of like 8000... was over written by Prognosis' 1900 or so heal. With it's 230% factored in for the barrier, that still doesn't come close to what the Adlo was. Thats the problem here, it just straight up overwrites barriers between the two versions.

    Galvanize does not over write another Galvanize if higher. Sage's stuff does not overwrite another sage's if higher (again, tested)

    Its literally just when you have a Sage AND Sch that it becomes a problem. A 1900 should NOT over write an 8000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri View Post
    Correct that Catalyze does not spread. However a crit Adlo is still roughly 7000 HP spread to the group for it's barrier (increased by the 180% value thats more like a 13000 barrier). Now my fiance helped me test it again and a big one on my part of like 8000... was over written by Prognosis' 1900 or so heal. With it's 230% factored in for the barrier, that still doesn't come close to what the Adlo was. Thats the problem here, it just straight up overwrites barriers between the two versions.

    Galvanize does not over write another Galvanize if higher. Sage's stuff does not overwrite another sage's if higher (again, tested)

    Its literally just when you have a Sage AND Sch that it becomes a problem. A 1900 should NOT over write an 8000.
    The crit gets turned into catalyze . Only galvanize spreads. So you only get the max non crit shield that spreads.

    So it's never 8k. Spread adlo is 180% of the heal received. Always. Never the crit.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 01-27-2022 at 03:20 AM.

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    Aenn Do'chas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The crit gets turned into catalyze . Only galvanize spreads. So you only get the max non crit shield that spreads.

    So it's never 8k.
    Yeah it is 8k. It’s actually more. In moonward gear my scholar and sage both heal for about 5150 to 5350 per heal. So that shield is more like 9k. Tying adderssting to the shield imo is what needs to be changed. If the shields can’t stack. I agree that shields stacking might be too much, but as it is now the two healers compete for space with shields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feidam View Post
    Yeah it is 8k. It’s actually more. In moonward gear my scholar and sage both heal for about 5150 to 5350 per heal. So that shield is more like 9k. Tying adderssting to the shield imo is what needs to be changed. If the shields can’t stack. I agree that shields stacking might be too much, but as it is now the two healers compete for space with shields.
    Ahh, then I thought they were saying the crits were 8k. My bad.

    But yeah, 2x 8k shields negates a lot of damage.
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