Fix how barriers work please

[NitsuLeviathan]

Now this obviously does not refer to how the barriers themselves work. Its just fine if you have a Scholar or Sage by themselves or paired up with one of the two regen healers... the problem comes down to when you have both of these classes together in any form of content.

To put it bluntly for those who haven't noticed it yet or don't play a healer; When Scholar or Sage puts up a barrier, it strictly overwrites the others. Now this wouldn't be a problem if it paid attention to how much the other barrier still had left, but this isn't the case.

So many times as a SCH I make use of my Recitation + Adlo + Deployment combo for a crit barrier spread, only for the Sage to almost immediately over write it with a MUCH less potent one instead via Eurkasian Prognosis (I've tested with friends as well)

Surely there is a better way to handle how the barriers work together? I fully understand not stacking them for obvious reasons but is there no way to have the code look to see which is currently the higher value?

catalyze doesn't spread when you use deployment tactics.
also, weaker potency barriers cant override stronger ones. if your friend wears no gear, does their barrier overwrite galvanize? if so, sounds like a bug.


valid point about succor though since it's pretty much never used anymore, but sch has a ton of mitigation baked into the kit elsewhere (which do stack with other shields, sacred soil/consolation/fey illumination). I doubt SE is gonna change shields since they've been pretty adamant about shields not stacking for years now for whatever reason. you can use emergency tactics every 15 seconds, which is way more frequently then you would ever really need to cast succor . duo shield healers really is not a problem in any content this game has to offer.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Sage and Scholar barriers shouldn't overwrite each other, they should be allowed to be stacked from different healers much like Regen effects can be stacked.

In End-game content it doesn't matter that much, as groups need to be pre-made you won't get overlap on the healers, but in random queuing for Normal difficulty raids, it actually hurts the group when you get 2 SGE, 2 SCH or one of both since they're going to mess up each others shields...

[Nezerius]

Sage and Scholar barriers shouldn't overwrite each other, they should be allowed to be stacked from different healers much like Regen effects can be stacked.

This would be an excellent way to turn SGE/SCH into the go-to healer comp for any serious content.

[Bacent]

Sage and Scholar barriers shouldn't overwrite each other, they should be allowed to be stacked from different healers much like Regen effects can be stacked.

Big oof, no way dude. Double crit barriers would be way OP

[Atelier-Bagur]

Big oof, no way dude. Double crit barriers would be way OP

This just makes me think that Sages really should have another type of buffing and just let Scholars be the only healing class who applies shields. Because otherwise yeah, if they fix the shields to have them stack one another that would just break the game. I agree that they just need to fix the numerical values between shields to only work allow strong shields to be in effect. Or maybe they could give sages shields to instead sacrifice its effect for a tad more potent heal when paired with a Scholar? Idk there's some ways to work around this so that both classes dont try to outclass each other.

[Chie_M]

Sage and Scholar barriers shouldn't overwrite each other, they should be allowed to be stacked from different healers much like Regen effects can be stacked.

I don't think this is the solution. IMO a good solution would be to have all shields function the way that re-applying Adlo after Critlo functions: the newer shield has no effect until the older shield is burst or drops off.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Big oof, no way dude. Double crit barriers would be way OP

I don't really see how being able to have 2 Galvanizes from 2 different SCH (or alternatively 2 Eukrasias) would be particularly OP.

[LisSquid]

Sage and Scholar barriers shouldn't overwrite each other, they should be allowed to be stacked from different healers much like Regen effects can be stacked.

In End-game content it doesn't matter that much, as groups need to be pre-made you won't get overlap on the healers, but in random queuing for Normal difficulty raids, it actually hurts the group when you get 2 SGE, 2 SCH or one of both since they're going to mess up each others shields...

Excellent. Just delete AST and WHM in one swoop.

[Robert_Ilcri]

catalyze doesn't spread when you use deployment tactics.
also, weaker potency barriers cant override stronger ones. if your friend wears no gear, does their barrier overwrite galvanize? if so, sounds like a bug.


valid point about succor though since it's pretty much never used anymore, but sch has a ton of mitigation baked into the kit elsewhere (which do stack with other shields, sacred soil/consolation/fey illumination). I doubt SE is gonna change shields since they've been pretty adamant about shields not stacking for years now for whatever reason. you can use emergency tactics every 15 seconds, which is way more frequently then you would ever really need to cast succor . duo shield healers really is not a problem in any content this game has to offer.

Correct that Catalyze does not spread. However a crit Adlo is still roughly 7000 HP spread to the group for it's barrier (increased by the 180% value thats more like a 13000 barrier). Now my fiance helped me test it again and a big one on my part of like 8000... was over written by Prognosis' 1900 or so heal. With it's 230% factored in for the barrier, that still doesn't come close to what the Adlo was. Thats the problem here, it just straight up overwrites barriers between the two versions.

Galvanize does not over write another Galvanize if higher. Sage's stuff does not overwrite another sage's if higher (again, tested)

Its literally just when you have a Sage AND Sch that it becomes a problem. A 1900 should NOT over write an 8000.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't really see how being able to have 2 Galvanizes from 2 different SCH (or alternatively 2 Eukrasias) would be particularly OP.

It'll invalidate Astro and White Mage in any end-game content if you just need to bring the shieldy boys and girls to null a good chunk of damage 24/7.