Fix how barriers work please

[Robert_Ilcri]

Now this obviously does not refer to how the barriers themselves work. Its just fine if you have a Scholar or Sage by themselves or paired up with one of the two regen healers... the problem comes down to when you have both of these classes together in any form of content.

To put it bluntly for those who haven't noticed it yet or don't play a healer; When Scholar or Sage puts up a barrier, it strictly overwrites the others. Now this wouldn't be a problem if it paid attention to how much the other barrier still had left, but this isn't the case.

So many times as a SCH I make use of my Recitation + Adlo + Deployment combo for a crit barrier spread, only for the Sage to almost immediately over write it with a MUCH less potent one instead via Eurkasian Prognosis (I've tested with friends as well)

Surely there is a better way to handle how the barriers work together? I fully understand not stacking them for obvious reasons but is there no way to have the code look to see which is currently the higher value?

[RecoveryPotion]

Now this obviously does not refer to how the barriers themselves work. Its just fine if you have a Scholar or Sage by themselves or paired up with one of the two regen healers... the problem comes down to when you have both of these classes together in any form of content.

To put it bluntly for those who haven't noticed it yet or don't play a healer; When Scholar or Sage puts up a barrier, it strictly overwrites the others. Now this wouldn't be a problem if it paid attention to how much the other barrier still had left, but this isn't the case.

So many times as a SCH I make use of my Recitation + Adlo + Deployment combo for a crit barrier spread, only for the Sage to almost immediately over write it with a MUCH less potent one instead via Eurkasian Prognosis (I've tested with friends as well)

Surely there is a better way to handle how the barriers work together? I fully understand not stacking them for obvious reasons but is there no way to have the code look to see which is currently the higher value?

I agree, I think they should make it to where the stronger shield/barrier stays and nullifies the others or vice versa. Or find another way to make them work together better

[Axzeriuth]

Agreed. It's a big oversight. I too tested this and a weak sage shield will override the Sch shield no matter what. But a sch cannot override a sage shield at all.


Someone has made a post about it in the healers forum but apparently it's 'working as intended'.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ng-as-intended

[Shibi]

Surely there is a better way to handle how the barriers work together? I fully understand not stacking them for obvious reasons but is there no way to have the code look to see which is currently the higher value?

Addersting mechanic is built on the SGE barrier (not withstanding it's a DPS loss) so there would need to be some way to handle that. I am not sure what that could be.

[dreamfisher]

Even in casual content, this very demoralising and reinforces my compulsion to pull back into my green DPS shell and remain a thermocoil broilmaster.
I worry they aren't going to have the spare resources to prioritise and address this, due to the existence of Addersting.

[Michieltjuhh]

Are you sure Eukrasian Prognosis is overwriting it and not Eukrasian Diagnosis? Because as Shibi mentioned, it's because Eukrasian Diagnosis shields broken through damage give Addersting stacks to Sages. They can't overwrite their own shield either (except through a bigger Eukrasian Diagnosis).

The whole shield situation is badly designed all the same, though, and just shows how incredibly pigeonholed healers in this game are.

[Robert_Ilcri]

Technically both are. Galvanize and whatever Sage's version is called just swap even if its lower and its... not a good thing. I understand they would need to fix it to work with Sage's Addersting, but its such a pain having the 7000+ barrier overwritten by something more like 3000. Theres gotta be some kind of check they can make to have it work better.

[Chie_M]

Are you sure Eukrasian Prognosis is overwriting it and not Eukrasian Diagnosis? Because as Shibi mentioned, it's because Eukrasian Diagnosis shields broken through damage give Addersting stacks to Sages. They can't overwrite their own shield either (except through a bigger Eukrasian Diagnosis).

The whole shield situation is badly designed all the same, though, and just shows how incredibly pigeonholed healers in this game are.

Yes. Both of SGE's Eukrasian shields overwrite all Galvanize effects.

[Shibi]

Theres gotta be some kind of check they can make to have it work better.

The best check is healers knowing it and SGE not trying to get adderstings mid-fight. Difficult in a fight without trash, where it's ideal generation time pre-pull.

I wonder if another way to charge our Toxicon - it might be a stupid idea - is a way to convert an addersgall into an addersting on top of the normal sheild breaking way. With an oGCD spell like Rhizomata. That gives us a charge on our distance+mobility AOE damage spell, but comes at a cost of one less oGCD big heal, so need to know when it's safe.

[LisSquid]

The amount of times I've deployed a juicy adlo for it to be halved by a sage is irritating at all ends. Fortunately (or not) this is only something that pops up when you don't need super mits or coordination. You'll never see a sage and a sch (or doubled up) in Ex+. If you do you should.. uh. Leave.